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Why should audiophile deniers be allowed on an audiophile forum?

Why should we be subjected to audiophile deniers, on a site dedicated to audio?
It’s antithetical to the hobby and adds nothing to the pursuit. I want to quote something from another thread.

@djones51 wrote "exposing bull products like "audiophile switches, cables, fuses " and other highly questionable devices that serve no purpose"

What then, is the purpose of people with this agenda being on this site? To “expose bull products.” It’s fine for someone to post they tried a product and it didn’t work for them, but to dismiss entire product categories is not a discussion that belongs on an enthusiast forum.

Would a car enthusiast site stand for this type of post?

Try going on a Porsche forum, just for example, and posting that your Mustang is just as fast 0-60 and that others poster’s claims about their driving experience is “dubious.” See how long that will be tolerated

There are plenty of sites to poke fun at audiophile’s obsession with cables, power conditioners etc. Why does it belong here, especially when we can’t mute specific posters?

What’s next? Arguing that speakers that measure the same must sound the same and that we are all suckers for buying expensive speakers? I thought we got rid of trolling?

Isn’t it obvious with all the ASR related posts here lately we are being trolled?

A couple of months back I read a post here about someone that ordered a new cat8 cable from China. I tried it and posted back my fantastic results for others to benefit.

Personally that’s the kind of forum I’m interested in, not to come here to be challenged about what I hear and that since it can’t be measured so it must be “dubious.”

 

 

 

 

 

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audition__audio
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And how many Skinheads and Neo-Nazis do you believe actually exist in our country and elsewhere? I am sure if you took some time you could find an even more radical and obscure group to make your point. I assume that what many of you want is to shut down all free and open discourse. To date I would say you have been very successful with the public schools and the universities. I am done with this as so many of you simply dont understand the real dangers of what you propose.

 

 

deludedaudiophile
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Have to go with audition_audio on this one. There are few Skinheads, nor Neo-Nazis. When one does not have a good argument, one may try to use an exception to prove a rule. It does not work that way. However, there is a good lesson to be learned. "Othering" and ignoring concerns, even of those you don't agree with, lends to radicalization. It is easy to label someone a racist, or Xenophobe or bigot, but just like raising concerns about "Skinheads" or other fringe elements, they may too have a concern that may not be at issue today, but could become one. I don't worry about Skinheads or Neonazis. The elements that drive them tend to be ignorance. However, I do worry about things that will "grow" within the framework of life today, i.e. what could happen from growing economic disparity, from demographics, etc.  I will say one thing, censorship will always be bad, as it is and has always been a tool of oppression.

 

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mahgister
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We are not in accord on all matter but we are on this one...

And anyway our dissension about other matter are secondary...

 

I will say one thing, censorship will always be bad, as it is and has always been a tool of oppression.

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wturkey
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“Why should audiophile deniers be allowed on an audiophile forum?”


Perhaps Audiogon has a chance at “free” speech unlike big tech?

cd318
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@wturkey 

Perhaps Audiogon has a chance at “free” speech unlike big tech?

 

Absolutely.

Our predecessors fought many a long hard battle to overcome censorship for a certain freedom of expression and opinion.

So why stand back and allow these precious rights to be taken away by those who would seek to rewrite history and to oppress, ostracise and silence all contradictory opinions?

There are important questions facing us all now in this age of information. I would argue that intolerant fascism, from either end of the political spectrum, will always be an anathema to freedom. 

I think we all have a pretty good idea where such intolerance and smug self belief can eventually lead to, don't we?

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