Why should audiophile deniers be allowed on an audiophile forum?

@wturkey 

Perhaps Audiogon has a chance at “free” speech unlike big tech?

Absolutely.

Our predecessors fought many a long hard battle to overcome censorship for a certain freedom of expression and opinion.

So why stand back and allow these precious rights to be taken away by those who would seek to rewrite history and to oppress, ostracise and silence all contradictory opinions?

There are important questions facing us all now in this age of information. I would argue that intolerant fascism, from either end of the political spectrum, will always be an anathema to freedom. 

I think we all have a pretty good idea where such intolerance and smug self belief can eventually lead to, don't we?

Absolute hogwash. You're intentionally conflating the concept of "free speech" as written in the Constitution with what can be said on a privately owned site. You don't fool anyone (with an IQ above room temperature) with your victim signaling.

All the best,
Nonoise

lol'n at this struggle thread. fellas you aren't going to solve the free speech question on an audio forum. go play a record. plot an upgrade. anything

Absolute hogwash. You’re intentionally conflating the concept of "free speech" as written in the Constitution with what can be said on a privately owned site. You don’t fool anyone (with an IQ above room temperature) with your victim signaling.

All the best,
Nonoise

Like usual Mr. Always Right Nonoise, insult someone because this someone is out of the "party" line...

Nowadays with internet the distinction inherited from some past civilization like Greece and rome between public real space (agora) and private space (home) is blurred because private and public are no more SEPARATED nor SEPARABLE in the virtual reality...

One of the first consequence of censorship in tyrannical and dictatorial society is the externally imposed and conditioned self censorship related to a lost of confidence or a general defiance among neighbours...

In virtual space everybody is your neighbours, then free speech in tweeter and other media must not be over regulated by an external instances nor completely controlled...Why?

 The muting of  the ELECTED clown Donald Trump who was president by an UNELECTED corporate power decision is destruction of the souverainety of democracy or his nullification or subordination to arbitrary private corporate power...

The only one who can object to that are the "wanna be leader of the opposition party " or some sleepwalking party member , because it is clear that those who control society are now unelected very powerful few corporates mammoth with few unelected technocrats...( unlected B.I.S. president, WHO. president, Bill Gates etc ) and not only leader of countries...Most country in the world command less power than only one big corporation...Any african country for example is at the mercy of this new imperial power...Gates can decide for example in which african  country he will pick his lab rats for a new vaccine... At worst he may have some  trouble with India who inherited British law and own a population over a billion... Anyway...

It is the reason why these  political left/right division  whose debate are now wars insatead of debates in the US  had less and less meaning save for gullible people or fanatics...And it is the same power behind these wrestling puppets: money and greed..,.

The Constitution was written at a times where public space were not privately controlled and regulated at the scale where it is now...

The distinction of the private home space of a citizen and the public agora where the public affair where discussed in ancient Greece , this clear distinction did not exist in virtual space ...

Then free speech must be maximized in a civilized manner in virtual space and externally imposed self censorship must me minimized..

If not, the reverse dynamic  will go hand in hand with this "marvellous" totalitarian global state where surveillance is "under the skin" of everyone  was   claimed and applaud to by the like of Yuval Noah Hariri and Klaus Schwab, the  unlected Gurus of Trudeau for example and of Macron and many others around the globe...

@nonoise 

These days, both sides of the aisle are advocating censorship.  It’s one thing to get it from one side, but now we’re getting from both sides.  This is a disturbing trend, to say the least.

I consider it quite fair that someone, in light of these trends, would be alarmed to see people willingly and eagerly advocating censorship, regardless of the venue and their policies.

It’s one thing for the managers of a venue to implement restrictions on their patrons’ behavior, but it’s another thing to see the venue’s patrons REQUESTING a loss of freedom.  It seems self-defeating, masochistic…I dunno…stupid?  “I couldn’t help but notice there’s not enough censorship here, Mr. Director, may we please have some more?”

I will challenge this kind of thinking regardless of the venue, because I think it is bad and indicative of an accepted mode of thinking in our population that is more than complicit in the erosion of our freedoms.