I don't want to beat a dead horse but I'm bugged.


I just can't clear my head of this. I don't want to start a measurements vs listening war and I'd appreciate it if you guys don't, but I bought a Rogue Sphinx V3 as some of you may remember and have been enjoying it quite a bit. So, I head over to AVS and read Amir's review and he just rips it apart. But that's OK, measurements are measurements, that is not what bugs me. I learned in the early 70s that distortion numbers, etc, may not be that important to me. Then I read that he didn't even bother listening to the darn thing. That is what really bugs me. If something measures so poorly, wouldn't you want to correlate the measurements with what you hear? Do people still buy gear on measurements alone? I learned that can be a big mistake. I just don't get it, never have. Can anybody provide some insight to why some people are stuck on audio measurements? Help me package that so I can at least understand what they are thinking without dismissing them completely as a bunch of mislead sheep. 

russ69

Creativity is linked to the pressure of events and more so on the freedom of the spirit...

There is two brain hemisphere, one is focus in details differentials relative to his mapping ability, the other one focus on background, and wholeness, on the territory not represented by a usable map...context attract him more than the litteral conditioned meaning...

These two hemisphere correlative working, they dont work so much well together in our own civilization after the Renaissance...Said neuro psychatrist Iain McGilchrist...

With transhumanism we assist at the suicide of the free mind...The erasure of the soul...And how many people understand this?

All creative mind are poets... The reason why is hidden in language dynamic between semantic and syntactic and acoustic correlated dynamics...i cannot enter in this here...

Some Nobel chemistry free mind professor wanted that his students wrote a poem, a sonnet, to understand this simple fact...i dont remember his name sorry...he was very wise...

If we read the great mathematician Grothendieck, his two books of 2000 pages are crossed and pollinated by metaphors deep one all the time...Then he would had thought poets with exercise in projective geometry for sure...Visualizing projective geometry is a music on his own with his system of spatial rhymes or operators...A projective sonnet so to speak... 😁😊

How about to teach audiophiles, subjective one and objective one here with mammal morphology like Goethe created it, unbeknownst to most?

Read Wolfgang Schad ,the great morphological zoologist then and prepared to be amazed without words...Or fell out of your chair...Recognizing a mammal for the first time being a grown adult who never seen one really but labelled them by habit is a great schock in one life... Try it...

Same thing apply to plant morphology, or music or complex numbers, knowing them by habit is not knowing them, it is not enough ...It is enough to work and for working in a profession yes, not enough to be creative...

Like said Robert Musil in his magnum opus " A man without qualities" there is two meaning related to the word Genius: one is linked to some ability like in the word engineer, and the other meaning is linked to the Divine ...It is like the two hemispheres version of the same word...

 

 

We want to try and understand this divide, do we not?

@teo_audio Probably the best post in this thread. 

Agreed. That was a great post. Reminds me of the time when I said, on another thread a while back, that it could be that objectivists can't appreciate the beauty and nuances that subjectivists do in musical recordings, or at least, anywhere near their level. That really pissed some of them off.

All the best,
Nonoise

Why the obsession with what other people spend on gear and their insistence that anything over $1500 is just wasted money?

A marketing decision. Based on what they “subtly “ peddle. Just follow the money. It’s always about the money.

If I tried to post at ASR, similar to how I post here at audiogon.....I’d be removed in almost seconds.

They will not remove you if you do that. They will keep you and will pile on you. On purpose. Like vultures. They have an official policy (not kidding),  a narcissist procedure of “cat and mouse “ sort of game. They will play you from a position of competence and utmost superiority.

These are the foot soldiers of projected violence, on (audio) forums, for the most part.

Yup! Well put. Someone called them the Objectivist measurements activists. I would say Militants is most appropriate. And like missionaries, they have to go places. Other audio forums. All of them. Nothing to do with music or audio.

 

 

 

“ A marketing decision. Based on what they “subtly “ peddle. Just follow the money. It’s always about the money”

Like your old chum Chucky you mean !