Ultrasonic record cleaners


I have a modest lp collection, mixed bag of original college age purchases, used records before the current renewed interest, and some newer albums to replace some older issues from the p mount needle days.  Have a vpi 16 machine and audio intelligent form 6 fluid. I’m not finding a significant improvement on my noisier issues.  The price of ultrasonic cleaners have come down to a price I would consider.  Appreciate the experiences of those who have purchased the ultrasonic machines, are they superior to my vpi and are the less expensive models effective?

TIA

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I’ve tried/bought a Kirmus ultrasonic cleaner and it worked well, heard blacker backgrounds on many LP’s, not all but thought it did a good job. Problem was it has so many steps involved in the cleaning process the machine just sat around and I never used it. Bought a Keith Monks RCM and have been extremely happy in it’s ability to clean LP’s, it’s quick and very quiet and only takes around 2-1/2 minutes per side. I use it almost daily without issue.

Just buy a cheap one and modify it for easier use.

I used a Nitty Gritty vacuum for years. Night and day difference with distilled water and a few drops of surfactant.

Just do batches of ~50. Fan dry while cleaning 9 @ time.

Cheep Ultrasonic cleaner from the net, does 6 LPs @ once.

 For used LPs, I just found a product called G3 by Groove master. No affiliation, just a happy consumer. Beats anything I've tried in the past 50 years. 

I used to own a VPI machine… the big one. It died a couple years ago and I bought a Nessie… a way better, quieter, more sophisticated machine that I think does a better job. I have many albums I bought from the 60’s and 70’s that cleaned up perfectly despite their incredible abuse. Then there is one in forty or fifty that is noisy… and cleaning just does nothing. Occasionally it is a new album. I think this is the observation the OP and a couple other folks here made as well.

I have not used an ultrasonic, but my Nessie is good and I suspect… but have no proof whatsoever that running these through an ultrasonic would not clean them up much better. I would love someone here to say I am wrong… and that x-brand will clean them up. I would definitely put that machine on my list to use in the case where my normal machine fails.

Most of the art/science of record cleaning is in method and good practices. It doesn't hurt to have robust equipment that you like, but a lot of very effective cleaning can be done manually, at low cost.

I've been poking around at this subject since around 2012 or so and have done some field trips, including to the Library of Congress, gotten with people that knew much more about archival preservation and/or restoration or in one instance, developed Mil-Spec methods for cleaning the 02 systems on naval submarines. (That's Neil Antin, whose name some of you may know). 

I had a VPI (an ancient one that started life as a 16 and was modified to a 16.5) which did a fine job, especially once I figured out the simplest of steps- a good fluid (I used to use Walker but switched to AIVS #15 years ago), a rinse step using some level of purified water (you don't want the minerals) and separate wands and applicators for both steps.

I eventually got an Audio Desk and was delighted with the ease of using it. No more slaving over a noisy vacuum machine. Thing was, the AD could not clean certain records effectively. Granted, most of you would say, just replace the record, but these were fairly obscure Vertigo Swirls that commanded money and were not easily replaced. 

So I did the opposite of what @Lewm asked about-- where ultrasonic didn't do the job, I resorted to manual cleaning on the VPI. And after several passes, including more US, was able to get some, not all of these "problem" records to a high state of play. 

Cleaning will obviously not salvage damaged records, including those suffering from "groove chew" (records that got played on old, misaligned equipment). I started to use the combination of manual cleaning and ultrasonic for these problem records-- 10/1 I'm buying old pressings so the ability to clean (and to flatten, where necessary) is important to me. 

I did up my game on equipment- I use a big Monks Omni (the old style with the thread) and a KL that I bought some years ago and is still chugging. But it is still down to method. 

Here's a cookie for gear porn: 

If you want to start at the very beginning, in terms of chemistry, materials science and how to get records clean using industrial chemistry, Neil's work is invaluable. (I published it but he's gotten tons of feedback from users-- the most current edition is the 3d. It is not a light read but it is extremely well organized and is encyclopedic in scope). You'll find it under the title Precision Aqueous Cleaning of Vinyl Records-3rd Edition. (I don't make any money from this, nor does Neil). 

If I had to choose one machine-- it would probably be the Monks. It is a better all-arounder for my purposes. For those of you who have only pristine records that have been well cared for, you may be able to get away with US cleaning only, with only the very limited need to engage in manual cleaning. 

I'm not a scientist and claim no guru status. I do value quiet record playback and seek out hard to find records that interest me. My conclusions are based mostly on my experience, combined with input from some of the much more knowledgeable people I've talked to about the subject over the years. 

Good luck, have fun.