Do I need a streamer?


Streaming devices, with or without an internal DAC, seem to be very popular these days, so I am wondering if I am missing out on something.  I have Audirvana on my iMac that streams Tidal and music from my 8 TB external HD.  My iMac resides next to my audio rack and I connect my iMac via an optical cable (Fibbr) to my Aqua LaVoce DAC.  It seems to me that my iMac and external HD take the place of a streaming device.  Am I missing out on something other than convenience?  My external HD was a few hundred bucks and streamers a whole lot more.  The sound of my system is fantastic. 

whitestix

Yes you are.  A $300 streamer (IFI or Allo) will be a big upgrade to your computer.  After that, return on your $ is limited although I ended up spending the money for an Innous Zenith MK3 and love it.  

@whitestix

if one is streaming using a standard computer then a streamer is not needed per se, but one might well sound noticeably better -- but really no way to know without trying it yourself

here are three quite well respected, very good performing, cost effective streamers, you can buy them try them and if no improvement over your imac, just resell at no or minimal loss

of course there are ifi usb purifiers available used too, can try that as well

 

It seems to me that the issue revolves around the ownership of the music. Streaming gives you access to an enormous library of music - almost everything ever recorded! Streaming enthusiasts are often not interested in owning physical media, since they can "dial up" anything they want to hear anytime. Why waste space storing CD boxes, record albums (silverfish eat the cardboard covers), or even external hard drives if you don't need them? But if your cell phone towers fall down, or the local nodes fail, or a hurricane knocks out the businesses you !get your music from - no tunes for you!  Some of us old guys think it's normal to own your own music. "That's how we did it when Brubeck and Basie were alive!"

I use a 10 year old laptop feeding a Sony DAC and get excellent sound (as good as a CD anyway) and I can record it if I want via an outboard digital recorder (hand held, usable for recording live music/environmental sounds. It can handle 96/24 for live music and is way better than 44/16). Most streaming is CD quality.  I don't use wireless. It's only half as fast as a wired connection. Being an old guy, I don't mind opening a CD box, putting on a record, or (now nearly always) loading up music on a hard drive into my music playing software. My computer lets me write/edit music/edit photos/use the internet and stream music at the same time. If you like what you have, enjoy the music! If  you live in a "tiny house" and have no room for storing physical media, If you'd rather travel light and live in a trailer - stream on! If you enjoy the latest in hi-fi gear, buy it and enjoy the experience. Happy Listening.

Something that always seems to get lost in streamer discussions is the idea that all streamers are computers. The dedicated streamers use computer motherboards, in some cases the exact motherboards you may find in a standard computer. SOTM makes the only dedicated audiophile motherboard I'm aware of. Then we come to the hardware used with these motherboards, processors, RAM, SSD, etc. I see nothing special being used with most dedicated streamers, most use standard stuff one finds in general service computers. As far as processors most use rather low end so as to keep noise down, more easily accomplished vs more powerful processors.  Less powerful processors don't allow much if any dsp, manipulating digital bits via dsp may result in much higher sound quality. As far as the rest of the hardware, one can do much  better than the common parts found in vast majority of dedicated streamers, enterprise level hardware with extremely low levels of latency contribute to lower levels of jitter vs the dedicated streamers.

 

Dedicated streamers do come with optimized operating systems, which can be replicated by the diy. Issue is diy needs to acquire the knowledge in order to maximize OS. Some dedicated streamers also have proprietary music players which may or not be superior to the Roons, Audirvanas of the world. Both proprietary OS and music players are also available to the diy, so this need not be a consideration for direction taken.

 

Then we come to power supplies, the better dedicated streamers do come with linear power supplies, again something available to the diy.

 

End result is I'd put my custom build streamer up against any off the shelf dedicated streamers out there with exception of Wadax and Taiko Extreme. All enterprise level parts, JCAT PCIe board, proprietary OS, proprietary music player available along with Roon, HQPlayer. Finally, I'd put my LPS up against any lps available at any price, over thirty years in developing this lps, first totally linear power supply ever developed for Windows based motherboards.

 

The point of this is don't fool yourself that dedicated off the shelf streamers are the end all of streamers. The diy or custom builds can equal or surpass sound quality of off the shelf.

 

But going back to OP. Yes, one does need dedicated streamer, whether diy/custom build or off the shelf. My first foray into streaming was with general service computer, my first custom mac mini way back in day easily surpassed the general service. The general service computer is noisy environment, noise takes away from resolution, resolution you can never get back once lost. Optical solutions may block noise from dac, but can't give back what's  lost in streamer. General service computer does not belong in audiophile streaming setup, one has handicapped their system at the source. I don't know why this question is continually asked with so many here attesting to the value of dedicated streamers. Yet to hear a single instance of someone contending general service superior to dedicated streamer,  speaks volumes.