As @jond mentioned you might try a corner set up. My 2 channel set up is a corner set up in a room not much bigger than yours. Excellent soundstage and image. Good luck!
room size question.
( wasnt sure what category to put this in ,so figured this one would get more views)
in watching some you tube videos, one from Jays audio lab, and another one from Paul ( ps audio ), they both mention how the speakers should be set up in the room and it seems they bring them out into the room quite a bit. they say that when this happens, you have the soundstage and jay was mentioning that there are layers that one gets to hear when listening.
my question i guess is that can this same thing happen in a smaller room, say 12x12 or is one just limited to say center imaging due to room size ?
room is treated
this is the ps audio video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x63RORq8JMw
jays video
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@bshaw my room is 12 X 18 but my speakers are along the long wall (yes, sacrilege), so i have a similar depth issue as you. My speakers are WAY out from the back wall nevertheless. (Over 4 feet). This is the result of lots and lots of experimentation. I've probably tried 75 different speaker/listening position combinations. Don't be afraid to pull them way out. In fact, try this: start with them all the way out to almost your listening position, and then start moving them toward the back wall, 8 inches or so at a time. Keep them pointed forward (no toe in) the whole time. At some point, the soundstage will snap into place. Once you know they can produce a soundstage, then you can fiddle with toe-in. I do not subscribe to the view that toe-in should be used to generate a soundstage where your speakers otherwise cannot create one. You may decide you want them closer to the back wall than the above ends up putting them, but you will know your outer limit this way. I did this after my speakers were already dialed in, as an experiment, and I ended up putting them back where I had originally put them, but the above process resulted in a placement within 3-4 inches of what I am convinced is their best spot. The soundstage is huge, wide, and tall. |
@bshaw :
Try diffusers behind your listening chair (back wall), and the absorbers at first reflection points. Basically reverse what you have now. I think you said "no toe-in", which is typically what is suggested when you want bigger soundstage (vs. focus), so you should be good there. |
@bshaw I have not achieved a great soundstage without some toe-in. Try crossing just in front or just behind your ears. I'd also like to know if your tweeters are at ear level. Finally I would space out a little wider if you can. I like that you have a low rack, that helps. I'm not sure you listed your gear but if you are using, for example, a low level receiver, you can't get much out of something like that. You are on the right path, keep working. |
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