What is "immersiveness" in audio experience ?

Interesting observation and experience...

A system is musical or not first as "timbre" experience...If the system give too much bad distortion , no immersiveness for sure...

Add to that an unnatural, or artificial timbre rendition no immersiveness for sure...

Musicality is related for me to timbre experience and the subtle hues and perceived "colors" of the different instruments alone or together...

But i forgot DYNAMIC... You are right... ( because it is impossible to have good timbre without good dynamic anyway)

But once we have a minimal musicality and a good dynamic , which i supposed as already granted in my opening thread, saying that immersiveness "implicate also that the timbre experience is right to begin with , that the distortion rate is low already and that these two factors are already settled," then the immersiveness factor for me is defined by the 3 qualities related in a balanced way inside the soundfield experience: Imaging differentiation, soundstaging variable dimensions and holographical VOLUME content...But without "rythm and pace" and optimal dynamic in the incoming of sound we cannot have immersiveness...

The reason i forgot to specify dynamic as " rythm and pace" is that timbre rendition cannot be good or optimal without good dynamic from the system...

In the definition of timbre the " time envelope" and the transients and the onset of the sound are some factors even in the acoustic definition of timbre... Then i was supposing all that...

Then musicality and dynamics you are very right are mandatory for experiencing immersiveness... But i think that we need more to achieve it completely...

But you are right also in an another way, a deeper way , we are all different and pure musicality is enough for many people to reach immersiveness, or simply rythm and pace and more the dynamical aspects...

Then your post remind me that our different audio history is an important factor... I forgot that...

Anyway "immersiveness" is related to this three aspects of the soundfield which anyway cannot exist at all optimally in an audio system unable to give first natural timbre experience, musicality and dynamic for sure... But musicality of timbre as distorsion level and dynamic are as electrical factors relating to the component than purely acoustic one... And i was thinking more about acoustic... it was necessary to add your observation for adding all factors and all our listeners differences...

Thanks for this wise and useful and necessary observation...

My very best....

I understand what you are going for here. From my experience I would go at it from a different direction. To me poor rhythm and pace is the major factor that prevents immersion. You can have incredibly holography without immersion. So, for me, the thing that really draws me in is the musicality… so, for me Audio Research and Sonus Faber versus Rowland and Wilson for instance.

For what it’s worth -- I don’t care how long your posts are. You can do what you want.

My advice is only relevant to you if you want more people to read and consider what you say. If you don’t mind that most people will skip your post and that allows you to write what you want, go ahead.

There’s no "right" or "wrong" here. It’s a question of whether you want to have more people in conversation or if you don’t mind people ignoring you. In case you care, I will ignore posts that are long and hard to follow. But you may not care! That's ok. Up to you. Be well.

Hilde 45 i adressed the short post of the second poster....

Not your good will and well intentionated post...

I already said that you were right...I even apologize to be centered on my own "investigation" and a bit heavy to read...

I dont want to push you out of this thread because you always are rational and interesting...

You never say that my post was "too long"... The other poster did perhaps only joking... But i am sensitive to truth and i dont like irrational not founded in truth criticism... And as a third poster astute observation revealed soon after this second poster joke or ad hominem criticism, in my apparently "too short" now introducting post, i forgot to eloaborate about dynamic and musicality as conditions for "immersiveness" ... Proof that my introducting post was too short and lacking in precision because i was supposing that timbre c experience imply them, it imply them but not completely as very well described by ghdprentice useful  post ...Thanks to him  it is corrected and open now to a deeper discussion...I forgot that our own history and perception differ a lot for sure...

In the opposite your critic was right from the beginning and on good faith i take it as such if i may repeat what i already said ... ...But when someone say that a post contains too much words it is meaningless criticism with no arguments or ad hominem one ...Or a joke...

Anyway this thread is about complex problems ...

My very best to you...

For what it’s worth -- I don’t care how long your posts are. You can do what you want.

My advice is only relevant to you if you want more people to read and consider what you say. If you don’t mind that most people will skip your post and that allows you to write what you want, go ahead.

There’s no "right" or "wrong" here. It’s a question of whether you want to have more people in conversation or if you don’t mind people ignoring you. In case you care, I will ignore posts that are long and hard to follow. But you may not care! That’s ok. Up to you. Be well.

And...I'm out.

And...I’m out.

I thought that your advice was a good will advice... I accept it graciously with even apology because your point was right ...

But when we discuss deep audio matters or complex subject, we do not wrote short 2 lines and anyway i never create a thread to increase my public exposition to crowd...

I waited for your impressions about "immersiveness"...But you were not even "in" it seems ecven after my apology and now for NO REASON you angrily wrote "i am out"...Put yourself in my shoes when beginning a thread of your OWN... And think about your LAST reaction...

The other poster push my button with a sarcatic remark...Instead of adressing the matter...

And i do not understand WHY you take my post toward him personal ESPECIALLY after i gave you my approbation sincerely for your first post ...

I was adressing an answer to the other poster SARCASM aiming to me personally...

It seems THEN for some, audio matter, so interesting the question may be, import less than grudges or patronizing other ...

Sorry but i am polite with people but i answer ALL sarcasm aimed at me personnally especially in a thread of mine with a very deep subject which matter for me and for some others ...

Are you not supposed to be a PHILOSOPHER?

Then help other with the concept of immersiveness instead of reacting now as a child...

 

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06-06-2023 at 11:33am

+1 @hilde45

less is more

more is less -- much much less in this case