What is "immersiveness" in audio experience ?

Hilde 45 i adressed the short post of the second poster....

Not your good will and well intentionated post...

I already said that you were right...I even apologize to be centered on my own "investigation" and a bit heavy to read...

I dont want to push you out of this thread because you always are rational and interesting...

You never say that my post was "too long"... The other poster did perhaps only joking... But i am sensitive to truth and i dont like irrational not founded in truth criticism... And as a third poster astute observation revealed soon after this second poster joke or ad hominem criticism, in my apparently "too short" now introducting post, i forgot to eloaborate about dynamic and musicality as conditions for "immersiveness" ... Proof that my introducting post was too short and lacking in precision because i was supposing that timbre c experience imply them, it imply them but not completely as very well described by ghdprentice useful  post ...Thanks to him  it is corrected and open now to a deeper discussion...I forgot that our own history and perception differ a lot for sure...

In the opposite your critic was right from the beginning and on good faith i take it as such if i may repeat what i already said ... ...But when someone say that a post contains too much words it is meaningless criticism with no arguments or ad hominem one ...Or a joke...

Anyway this thread is about complex problems ...

My very best to you...

For what it’s worth -- I don’t care how long your posts are. You can do what you want.

My advice is only relevant to you if you want more people to read and consider what you say. If you don’t mind that most people will skip your post and that allows you to write what you want, go ahead.

There’s no "right" or "wrong" here. It’s a question of whether you want to have more people in conversation or if you don’t mind people ignoring you. In case you care, I will ignore posts that are long and hard to follow. But you may not care! That’s ok. Up to you. Be well.

And...I'm out.

And...I’m out.

I thought that your advice was a good will advice... I accept it graciously with even apology because your point was right ...

But when we discuss deep audio matters or complex subject, we do not wrote short 2 lines and anyway i never create a thread to increase my public exposition to crowd...

I waited for your impressions about "immersiveness"...But you were not even "in" it seems ecven after my apology and now for NO REASON you angrily wrote "i am out"...Put yourself in my shoes when beginning a thread of your OWN... And think about your LAST reaction...

The other poster push my button with a sarcatic remark...Instead of adressing the matter...

And i do not understand WHY you take my post toward him personal ESPECIALLY after i gave you my approbation sincerely for your first post ...

I was adressing an answer to the other poster SARCASM aiming to me personally...

It seems THEN for some, audio matter, so interesting the question may be, import less than grudges or patronizing other ...

Sorry but i am polite with people but i answer ALL sarcasm aimed at me personnally especially in a thread of mine with a very deep subject which matter for me and for some others ...

Are you not supposed to be a PHILOSOPHER?

Then help other with the concept of immersiveness instead of reacting now as a child...

 

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06-06-2023 at 11:33am

+1 @hilde45

less is more

more is less -- much much less in this case

 

Ghdprentice make a good point...

We all came to audio and go through it with different perspective...

In my experience, to have dynamic right, to have "pace and rythm" optimal, and to have "timbre" perception right, all that go together in a dedicated room ...For headphone it is not so straightforward... As i said i think it is not possible to have a beautiful natural timbre experience without good dynamic from the speakers" room...But for headphone it is different... For example the bass perception and dynamic of my SR-5 Stax gold gave a sublime timbre but was not on par in bass and dynamic with the Hifiman HE 400...Headphone are not speakers/ room...

 ghdprentice awake me to something i did not thought of beginning my thread : we all come with our own history and musical taste even if acoustic concept did not change...And headphone are not speakers when we experience them...

And for sure someone coming from jazz or rock mainly or from classical music, will not optimize at first his audio system with  the same set of ordered  priorities and  acoustic factors ...For example in my room i never prioritize bass depth... My speakers never go under 50 hertz...

But i realized what i missed with heaphone able to go 30 hertz with clarity... 😊

But at the end the question which emerge is how my audio system disapear

letting music be...It is an acoustic and psycho-acoustic precise question, and it is called immersiveness...

i will wait for others experiences and opinions..

I stumbled on an interesting video which is for headphone but can be applied for speakers it is about the way to assess basic qualities of headphones, but the same tree of concepts apply for speakers...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DseAu4LPPWQ&list=PLnQJF3Qi_4_A5BFgnV1w5wNNfnks3u0oL&index=51&t=6s

Sound being immersive is an important, even vital trait - depending I guess on the aspect of it one may prioritize or define it as being. Indeed, immersive can be many things, like spanning a contrast range as that which envelopes the listener in a "wash" of sound that takes hold of the experience in its sheer fullness and uninhibited presence, while incorporating moments of intricacies that are more quiet and intimate in nature. Moving closer to a live symphony orchestra can aid an immersive feel, though not at the cost of the whole of the experience (i.e.: sitting too close) - the holistic aspect. It’s a balance, and one I try to live by and apply via my home stereo sitting just on the edge of the radiation bubble. Immersive is about a wide frequency span and being able to use most of the audible spectrum here low and high with full dynamic envelope. It’s as well and not least about size of the sonic presentation, not meant as a "fluffy" spatial image produced by a smaller speaker or one potentially without substance from a panel ditto, but rather one in actual correspondence with the size of the radiation area and overall height of a pair of large, preferably horn-loaded speakers. It’s about bass that can fill the entire listening space effortlessly like a floating, almost liquid presence that just exists/happens - at any desired SPL. It’s about having a coherent sphere of sound that makes the elements of all this come together. As such I find immersive to be a core trait in audio reproduction, and one that’s wholly essential for sound to appear less of a facsimile.