And...I'm out.
What is "immersiveness" in audio experience ?
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I thought that your advice was a good will advice... I accept it graciously with even apology because your point was right ...
But when we discuss deep audio matters or complex subject, we do not wrote short 2 lines and anyway i never create a thread to increase my public exposition to crowd... I waited for your impressions about "immersiveness"...But you were not even "in" it seems ecven after my apology and now for NO REASON you angrily wrote "i am out"...Put yourself in my shoes when beginning a thread of your OWN... And think about your LAST reaction... The other poster push my button with a sarcatic remark...Instead of adressing the matter... And i do not understand WHY you take my post toward him personal ESPECIALLY after i gave you my approbation sincerely for your first post ... I was adressing an answer to the other poster SARCASM aiming to me personally... It seems THEN for some, audio matter, so interesting the question may be, import less than grudges or patronizing other ... Sorry but i am polite with people but i answer ALL sarcasm aimed at me personnally especially in a thread of mine with a very deep subject which matter for me and for some others ... Are you not supposed to be a PHILOSOPHER? Then help other with the concept of immersiveness instead of reacting now as a child...
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Ghdprentice make a good point... We all came to audio and go through it with different perspective...
In my experience, to have dynamic right, to have "pace and rythm" optimal, and to have "timbre" perception right, all that go together in a dedicated room ...For headphone it is not so straightforward... As i said i think it is not possible to have a beautiful natural timbre experience without good dynamic from the speakers" room...But for headphone it is different... For example the bass perception and dynamic of my SR-5 Stax gold gave a sublime timbre but was not on par in bass and dynamic with the Hifiman HE 400...Headphone are not speakers/ room... ghdprentice awake me to something i did not thought of beginning my thread : we all come with our own history and musical taste even if acoustic concept did not change...And headphone are not speakers when we experience them... And for sure someone coming from jazz or rock mainly or from classical music, will not optimize at first his audio system with the same set of ordered priorities and acoustic factors ...For example in my room i never prioritize bass depth... My speakers never go under 50 hertz... But i realized what i missed with heaphone able to go 30 hertz with clarity... 😊
But at the end the question which emerge is how my audio system disapear letting music be...It is an acoustic and psycho-acoustic precise question, and it is called immersiveness... i will wait for others experiences and opinions.. I stumbled on an interesting video which is for headphone but can be applied for speakers it is about the way to assess basic qualities of headphones, but the same tree of concepts apply for speakers... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DseAu4LPPWQ&list=PLnQJF3Qi_4_A5BFgnV1w5wNNfnks3u0oL&index=51&t=6s
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Sound being immersive is an important, even vital trait - depending I guess on the aspect of it one may prioritize or define it as being. Indeed, immersive can be many things, like spanning a contrast range as that which envelopes the listener in a "wash" of sound that takes hold of the experience in its sheer fullness and uninhibited presence, while incorporating moments of intricacies that are more quiet and intimate in nature. Moving closer to a live symphony orchestra can aid an immersive feel, though not at the cost of the whole of the experience (i.e.: sitting too close) - the holistic aspect. It’s a balance, and one I try to live by and apply via my home stereo sitting just on the edge of the radiation bubble. Immersive is about a wide frequency span and being able to use most of the audible spectrum here low and high with full dynamic envelope. It’s as well and not least about size of the sonic presentation, not meant as a "fluffy" spatial image produced by a smaller speaker or one potentially without substance from a panel ditto, but rather one in actual correspondence with the size of the radiation area and overall height of a pair of large, preferably horn-loaded speakers. It’s about bass that can fill the entire listening space effortlessly like a floating, almost liquid presence that just exists/happens - at any desired SPL. It’s about having a coherent sphere of sound that makes the elements of all this come together. As such I find immersive to be a core trait in audio reproduction, and one that’s wholly essential for sound to appear less of a facsimile. | |
Thanks very much for this well written post very well describing what i alluded to in more abstract and less convincing way about immersiveness... English is not my first language... And yes immersiveness is not only a felt subjective impression but also an objective concept in acoustic and we even had some parameters and science articles teaching us how to reach it in a small room at the times of my listening acoustic room experiments .. But as i said i lost my dedicated acoustic room...One year ago... I happily succeeded to recreate immersiveness with headphone which is way more difficult than with speakers in a dedicated room... But i was lucky with the right headphone and the right but long 6 months optimization process necessary for it...
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