Did Amir Change Your Mind About Anything?
It’s easy to make snide remarks like “yes- I do the opposite of what he says.” And in some respects I agree, but if you do that, this is just going to be taken down. So I’m asking a serious question. Has ASR actually changed your opinion on anything? For me, I would say 2 things. I am a conservatory-trained musician and I do trust my ears. But ASR has reminded me to double check my opinions on a piece of gear to make sure I’m not imagining improvements. Not to get into double blind testing, but just to keep in mind that the brain can be fooled and make doubly sure that I’m hearing what I think I’m hearing. The second is power conditioning. I went from an expensive box back to my wiremold and I really don’t think I can hear a difference. I think that now that I understand the engineering behind AC use in an audio component, I am not convinced that power conditioning affects the component output. I think.
So please resist the urge to pile on. I think this could be a worthwhile discussion if that’s possible anymore. I hope it is.
agree very much with your point of view why is this even a topic we care about? ... it’s just tribalism in the hifi context... and the tribe leader doesn’t tolerate 'backtalk' (otherwise known as intellectual challenges) in his own house so he and a few chosen minions (or alternate handles) come here to ’defend’ their honor at a human level, i view it as pathetic, and ultimately trivial |
Quarelling will not solve this...Nor insults... Objectivist as subjectivist tribes focus on gear, one tribe use electrical tools mainly the other his ears... But it is NOT THE GEAR electrical properties measured or not , verified or not, which is the key in audio; Psycho-acoustic basic knowledge in a room is the crux and key of audio improvement... Nothing else... But for sure my sympathy goes to those who learn how to listen with their EARS... so useful measures of gear can be useful information, they dont say as much as Amir claim they said about all the aspects of sound qualities for a human ears... Psycho-acoustic hearing facts will solve this debate... Read my article...I posted it 4 times waiting an answer...To no avail... Amir did not answered it nor prof... Are they not scientists? We will see...
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That’s part of what’s so odd about this thread. It’s using A’gon to debate ASR in a way that wouldn’t be tolerated on ASR’s own site. That alone tells me all I need to know about ASR. |
Effort and Value are two different things. The comments about needing to be "paid" in order to take notes at an audio show was telling. No need for notes, just listen, and report out what you hear. Audio science not required, just listen and share. Most here who’ve been to a show always remember the systems that sound best to them. Does not require a notepad. Again, the majority here at Audiogon do not need a meter or graph to know what sounds good. Listen, then measure. Completely different philosophies that may never agree. A for effort, maybe. Then again, what’s the goal. Different goals it seems. Leave it to agree to disagree since the goals are vastly different. Enjoy the music.
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My claim studying this article above is not FIRST AND LAST to justify subjectivist trusting only their "taste" hearing for gear, NOT AT ALL, it is about deconstructing the DOGMATIC techno babble inference used by Amir to predict on the electrical measures in the linear and symmetrical time domain modeling what humans will hear from their non linear and non symmetrical time domain historical standpoint of observation and to infirm the Amir conclusion about what they cannot hear on the basis of these electrical tools used for verifying gear specs... Amir and prof where is your answer ? Do you have a better hearing theory unknown to physicists Oppenheim and Magnasco ? Do you think they will take hearing claims of ASR seriously ? 😊 Who read this article ? It is not a review in stereophile, or technological babble about hearing, it is a pure scientific article in the frontiers between physics and psycho-acoustic ?
As i said multiples times, i am not subjectivist nor an objectivist because i focus on acoustic and psycho-acoustic not on gear pieces...I tuned my room WITHOUT need for a blind test... Acoustician used measuring tools for rapid efficient practicalities but their ears works also to the beginning till the end... There is a reason why...
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