Why is this a thing? Its the audio equivalent of comparing and contrasting different religious texts. Those who lean in one direction aren’t really interested in compromise are they? Who cares what goes on over “there”? The fact that he comes over “here” doesn’t impact his relevance.
Did Amir Change Your Mind About Anything?
It’s easy to make snide remarks like “yes- I do the opposite of what he says.” And in some respects I agree, but if you do that, this is just going to be taken down. So I’m asking a serious question. Has ASR actually changed your opinion on anything? For me, I would say 2 things. I am a conservatory-trained musician and I do trust my ears. But ASR has reminded me to double check my opinions on a piece of gear to make sure I’m not imagining improvements. Not to get into double blind testing, but just to keep in mind that the brain can be fooled and make doubly sure that I’m hearing what I think I’m hearing. The second is power conditioning. I went from an expensive box back to my wiremold and I really don’t think I can hear a difference. I think that now that I understand the engineering behind AC use in an audio component, I am not convinced that power conditioning affects the component output. I think.
So please resist the urge to pile on. I think this could be a worthwhile discussion if that’s possible anymore. I hope it is.
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agree very much with your point of view why is this even a topic we care about? ... it’s just tribalism in the hifi context... and the tribe leader doesn’t tolerate 'backtalk' (otherwise known as intellectual challenges) in his own house so he and a few chosen minions (or alternate handles) come here to ’defend’ their honor at a human level, i view it as pathetic, and ultimately trivial |
Quarelling will not solve this...Nor insults... Objectivist as subjectivist tribes focus on gear, one tribe use electrical tools mainly the other his ears... But it is NOT THE GEAR electrical properties measured or not , verified or not, which is the key in audio; Psycho-acoustic basic knowledge in a room is the crux and key of audio improvement... Nothing else... But for sure my sympathy goes to those who learn how to listen with their EARS... so useful measures of gear can be useful information, they dont say as much as Amir claim they said about all the aspects of sound qualities for a human ears... Psycho-acoustic hearing facts will solve this debate... Read my article...I posted it 4 times waiting an answer...To no avail... Amir did not answered it nor prof... Are they not scientists? We will see...
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That’s part of what’s so odd about this thread. It’s using A’gon to debate ASR in a way that wouldn’t be tolerated on ASR’s own site. That alone tells me all I need to know about ASR. |
Effort and Value are two different things. The comments about needing to be "paid" in order to take notes at an audio show was telling. No need for notes, just listen, and report out what you hear. Audio science not required, just listen and share. Most here who’ve been to a show always remember the systems that sound best to them. Does not require a notepad. Again, the majority here at Audiogon do not need a meter or graph to know what sounds good. Listen, then measure. Completely different philosophies that may never agree. A for effort, maybe. Then again, what’s the goal. Different goals it seems. Leave it to agree to disagree since the goals are vastly different. Enjoy the music.
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