Snake oil refer to any deception AND self deception, deception and self deception are TWINS... as Feynman said the easiest person to fool is ourself for this REASON... ..
Buying a 15,000 bucks piece that did not do the job intended is not less ridiculous that buying am amplifier who did not sound as we asked for ...
i dont see the difference Prof...
By the way i described how today i read on ASR attacks on a well known designer ( i will not name him because i dont want to drain him in the swamp of this debate ) because he used his knowledge about the non linear way the ears perceive sound to design his amplifier using harmonic distortion in a wise psycho-acoustical way... Few people as "wise" and less "wise" as amir attacked him about any aspects of his work, and i say attack , because they suggested multiple times that this "distortion" business is if it is not fraud it is for useless deluded ignorance of audiophiles..
The designer was a gentleman and answer them politely... I had the EXACT same discussion here with Amir about the way the ears hear, NON LINEARLY IN HIS OWN TIME DOMAIN... Then no one can equate a limited of linear measures in the time independfant domain with AUDIBLE MUSICAL PERCEIVED QUALITIES. Claiming otherwise is not psycho-acoustic knowledge but ignorance...
No set of measures about audible qualities can be reduced to measures about the linear well behaviour of circuits ... Oppenheim and Magnsco experiment demonstrated why... they even suggested why we do more experiments in the context of ecological hearing theory...
Amir answered with ad hominem attack against Van Maanen and reduce the lesson of Oppenheim and Magnasco to be trivial experiment about mere hearing acuity limits , forgetting how the experience illustrate non linear behaviour of the ears in his time domain... This is BAD FAITH motivated by his business : selling his set of measures as ABSOLUTE truth about musical qualities...
Now prof, if some of the ASR crowds treat a well respected designer this way, contesting him ,and asking for PROOF , and almost insulting him; imagine how they will treat me ?
they will never listen to me a second and they will not be polite at all..
I listened politely to Amir thanks him 15 times. oppose my arguments, but instead of answering, he use any means but NEGATE the central problem in hearing theory as it never existed..
i lost complete trust in Amir...
i am naive but one thing i know : i learned how to analyse any text scientific or not... i know what is a valid argument or when someone drown the fish..
That’s not the same and you know it.
You know very well that "snake oil" is a reference to products that do not do what they are claimed to do.
That TacT Amir owned did what it claims to do: perform audible corrections to the sound.
That something breaks doesn’t make it "snake oil."
That’s just a disingenuous attempt at some "gotcha."
Seriously...and you guys are up Amir’s butt for the style of HIS posts?