Digital music questions


I'm somewhat new to hi res digital audio and I'm looking for some tips. I have been building my system and have purchased McIntosh c2700, which has a DAC built in, a 462 amp, and B&W 802d4s. Using Apple Music, I have been streaming music through a Macbook Pro via a USB cable to the DAC of the c2700 preamp.

The McIntosh preamp states the streaming quality is 44.1 kHz, which seem to be the low end of high-res streaming. I currently have so many subscriptions, including Sirius XM for the cars and Apple Music for my family, and more recently Nugs for concerts, (not to mention video subscriptions...seems it never ends), so I was hoping not to add another paid subscription.

That being said, am I leaving a lot on the table? Would a dedicated streamer sound a lot better than the Macbook Pro? Are there streamers without DACs, so I can use the McIntosh DAC without purchasing redundant equipment? I understand I cannot use Apple Music to get high res audio to the preamp, as they only provide it through Apple equipment at this time. Can I get a streamer that uses the DAC of the c2700 preamp? Finally, do I then need to add another subscription, such as Tidal or Qobuz, to get high res audio? 

Thanks....it's a lot of questions, but I'm sure someone here can help!

cmb13

@soix

Let’s first deconstruct your argument re: noise and clocking (jitter).

 

If the streamer receives audio data over the network, noise and jitter can cause bit errors. However, networking protocols such as Ethernet and TCP/IP contain methods to detect errors and ask for packet or frame retransmission. You can be assured that audio data isn’t being mangled when it arrives over the network. For example, my Windows PC has received ~479 million bytes since I turned it on this morning. Exactly zero frames have been discarded due to detected errors. You can do this yourself by typing in the command ’netstat -e’ in the Windows command prompt. My Raspberry Pi 4 based streamer running moOde has received over 6 GB of data via Ethernet and also zero errors detected.

 

Let’s say that audio data is stored locally on the streamer. In this case, noise and jitter can cause bit errors when transmitting to the DAC. These types of errors will manifest themselves as audible clicks, pops or even dropouts (if the USB interface at the DAC detects errors or loses connection). This was also covered by the link to the testing that I referenced in my previous reply. To sum that up, after 12 hours of continuous playback using USB, no errors were detected.

 

Finally, there can be noise injected into the analog output circuitry. However, this is only a problem if you can hear it at the playback volumes you usually listen to. For example, I can hear noise with my Benchmark HPA4 / DAC3 B system on my AKG K371 headphones but only if I crank the volume to max - a level that I would never listen at. If I do the same thing on my DAC3 HGC connected to my PC and turn the volume all the way up, I only hear silence.

 

Now onto streamers, yes I’m saying that an inexpensive streamer can sound just as good as an expensive streamer if the DAC receives the same data. Bits truly are bits - and that’s the beauty of digital data. We can make and store and stream as many copies of music files as we want and as long as those copies match the original bit for bit, they will always sound identical. This is why you see encryption being used on non-paid music downloads from services like Apple Music or Qobuz.

@tubular1 
There is a Bryston BDP-2 on here for around $800.  It will stream Tidal,Qobuz and index an external device with your music files and it will sound really good.   The interface is Spartan but it works. Especially for just listening to ripped files.   you just need to make sure the digital connections between it and your Marantz match up.

KISS

Usung the search tool (yellow magnifying glass) you can find lot’s of info on this sight. There’s scads of info of what you’re hankering after.

New or used Bluesound’s are a good way to start and easy to sell when you are smitten and ready to step it up.

As for it’s all ones and zeros to me that’s like saying speakers are speakers and lamp cord is good wire. You will find the vast majority here shy away from computer streaming. Read into that what you will. 

Now onto streamers, yes I’m saying that an inexpensive streamer can sound just as good as an expensive streamer if the DAC receives the same data. Bits truly are bits - and that’s the beauty of digital data. We can make and store and stream as many copies of music files as we want and as long as those copies match the original bit for bit, they will always sound identical.

Ok, I’ve already said my piece on this and I’m done as it’s clear the cement has hardened on this one.  If anyone else here takes issue with this please feel free to chime in because this is just absolute ignorant silly talk.  A cheap streamer can sound just as good as the better and more expensive streamers out there?  You gotta be kidding me man.  There are so many people here who’ve had revelations in their streaming setup by upgrading to a better streamer it’s not even a question anymore except in your mind.  A quote from Pink Floyd’s The Wall once again seems appropriate…

”And when they've given you their all
Some stagger and fall after all it's not easy
Banging your heart against some mad bugger's wall”

Peace out.

 

@soix +1

 

@yage -1 All the words and logic you can muster about bits will not change the fact that vastly different sound quality comes from the same bits run through different components doing the same thing.