100 Albums You Would wish for...from a Genie

I will add that we are in the same situation with the question of what a "sound" is...

There is no scientific consensus about sound and hearing... what is a sound perceptive quality and information and how we access it ...

There is no practical definition for “music” other than “created sound.”

We know though a little bit more than what you just said here... This is your opinion indeed but not a fact...

First one thing is sure, music created by man is a "sound" production related to the human body/brain/ears ... This is not my opinion here... But a fact...

Then there exist a root of this created "sounds" in the human body...Music and language are born together and are coming from the same root which is the body tripartite basic systems.. ...This is also a fact...

Must i add that this is my opinion to calm you ? ... 😊

Music is not about our taste only , music must be learned the same way in which we must learn how to act our body , that was one of my point; then there exist some different music with different healing and informative power...All is not purely relativistic and about our given "tastes" here as you seems to suggest ... Music grounded in a tradition has not the same value for me than commercial music... And yes the line delimiting them is not clear at all... This is a fact and also an opinion here... 😁

Sorry but there is a value hierarchy that cannot be imposed but is easily spotted by musicians learning their trade... A yoruba drummer for example know this, he know the difference between meaningful rythm which "speak" and rythm which did not "speak" in his language ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZOg4xIiulw&t=741s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4oQJZ2TEVI&t=7s

( the best book on music i read is about yoruba drum and sound perception and meaning by the way ) 😋

 

 

As in litterature, harlequin litterature is not Dostoievsky or Mark Twain...

i will add that is is my opinion for sure ...

Who s opinion could it be ? mine...

is it the absolute truth ?

No...

But i bet i am not alone here with this OPINION.... 😊

 

In litterature as in music we MUST LEARN how to understand and appreciate, because our innate taste means little, it is a beginning not an end ...Comic books are not Kafka...

By the way each musical traditions contains an history of consciouness through the way the spirit/body relate to sound in a specific way , extending in millenia sometimes...It is a fact not my opinion ...

Do not say then that in your opinion, all opinions about music are equal, because they are not...

No more in music than in litteratrure and science.... Music is not only a consumers leisure tasteful choice... It is way more IN MY OPINION... 😊

Again, beyond “created sound,” there is virtually no practical definition for what music “is” or what it “is about.”

 

By the way my statements are not " erroneous" they are incomplete .... Calling them "my opinion" or not had nothing to do with their POSSIBLE meaning has you suggested in your own unsatisfying and at the end erroneous relativistic perspective...

Music express sacredness and values not only esthetical arbitrary meaningless choice as a consumer purchasing a product instead of another...

 

Music also contain a part of our consciouness history which is hidden in sounds and rythms...

This is why all musical traditions of the world matter and why we must learn from EACH OF THEM... This has nothing to do about tastes...

@mahgister Quick fix:
Qualifying statements like,
- “music is about visible architecture and rhythmical times”
- “music is not about tonality versus atonality”
- “music is about feeling, willing and thinking”
- “in serialism music is disconnected of the natural rhythms of human metabolism”

with a simple statement of “in my opinion,” or “in my experience” cures such statements of their erroneousness.

If we're asking a genie, I'd simply ask for any 100 albums from the early digital era. But, since it's a genie they'd all sound good. I'm picturing virtually all metal albums of the time for starters.

@mahgister “There is no scientific consensus about sound and hearing... what is a sound perceptive quality and information and how we access it ...“

We are humans that experience music.  
Is that something we can agree on?

If the answer is yes, then not even Ludwig Van Beethoven himself can “tell” me, or you, or anyone, what music “is” with absolute authority.  

That person emitting “music” from the onboard speaker of their cell phone in a sonically cacophonous environment (airport, busy urban bus stop, shopping mall, etc.) is experiencing music in a way that is just as valid as you or I listening to music in an immaculately engineered listening room with the highest quality equipment in the world.  
As disagreeable, perhaps even vile I find the former’s behavior to be, as antithetical to music appreciation as I find that behavior to be, I don’t get to “tell” them “what music is.” Perhaps I may muster the gumption to politely ask them to use headphones out of respect to the thousands of other humans around them, but my personal feelings about what music “is” are my own.  
They are not “facts.”  
You are speaking with grave authority on matters that are purely subjective.
 

@tylermunns...very eloquently said! Agree totally.

That person emitting “music” from the onboard speaker of their cell phone in a sonically cacophonous environment (airport, busy urban bus stop, shopping mall, etc.) is experiencing music in a way that is just as valid as you or I listening to music in an immaculately engineered listening room with the highest quality equipment in the world.
As disagreeable, perhaps even vile I find the former’s behavior to be, as antithetical to music appreciation as I find that behavior to be, I don’t get to “tell” them “what music is.” Perhaps I may muster the gumption to politely ask them to use headphones out of respect to the thousands of other humans around them, but my personal feelings about what music “is” are my own.
They are not “facts.”

 

 

First i dont know about which post of mine you talked about ?

I never suggested and spoke HERE about people listening Bach or Beatles on a cell phone as inferior to audiophile with acoustic room ...

I said listening music as hearing sounds must be LEARNED not only by babies and children growing but even by us adults... THATS IS A FACT...

Then dont put in my mouth your own limited opinion or understanding or prejudices ...

Kafka is better than harlequin books in LITTERARY VALUE but i dont judge people liking harlequin by saying so... did you understand ? The reason is simple, we must all learn and grow... Myself included... i already say that in my discussion with simonmoon who put something interesting in motion ... I dont pretend to any authorithy, but this dont means that i am a total ignorant either ..

 

We are humans that experience music.
Is that something we can agree on?

If the answer is yes, then not even Ludwig Van Beethoven himself can “tell” me, or you, or anyone, what music “is” with absolute authority.

You are speaking with grave authority on matters that are purely subjective.

For sure music is not a mere "subjective" mess randomly distributed in all cultures, that we must treat as superficial subjective tastes in a relativistic manner as you suggested ...Those who think so are ignorant thats all...I apologize to say so but i say it... It is MY OPINION HERE...

Pygmies Polyphony and Bach polyphonies has something in common : they express something very deep about the spirit and grounded in history... This is A FACT not my opinion... The taste of someone liking  Bach and pygmies polyphonies or not dont change  THE FACTS....

Music is based on the body/brain/ throat/heart/soul/ etc music is ROOTED in the human metabolism and music is grounded  in the way human related to each other and communicate and perceive the world...THIS IS OBJECTIVE FACT....

Then it is not mere" subjectivity"...This is the starting point to understand the VALUES  of the different manifestation of music... Commercial music is not  yoruba drumming... The content is not the same at all.... The experience is not the same at all ... The goal and the richness is not the same at all... Each one of us we had our "tastes"...But they dont matter at all here... 

There is an objective grounding in the physical and spiritual BODY...Music is not  only a mere  hobby here music is not  only a mere commercial enterprise ...Sorry...

Perhaps for you it is a mere hobby and a product to consume following our "tastes"... It is more for me and it is more  for those who studied music and philosophy of music ...And i am one even if i dont claim any authorithy as you LABELLED ME ... I discussed with simonmoon and we tried to understand each other , imitate him instead of cornering me and putting something in my mouth...

Music is not only a deep therapeutical means, WHICH IS ALSO AN OBJECTIVE FACT and this is an OBJECTIVE fact too: it is also, even if you ignore it, the vehicle of human consciousness as manifested in certain way in all cultures...

In face of all these deep objective facts, saying that all is about "tastes", and consumers choices is not only childish and preposterous, it is useless as an opinion HERE in this discussion ...

And yes i can speak seriously on this matter, i never pretended to any authority, but i object and it is my opinion , i object to superficiality and relativism and consumerism  ...

Music is not mere subjectivity , no more than sound is just a mere subjective phenomenon... I can demonstrate why but it will take too much place...😊

Inform yourself before put a label on me ...