I have no patience with someone who instead of reading my post and trying to understand my argument put words in my mouth...I am not perfect... 😊
My posts were never about the value of my tastes against the value of your taste or against everybody tastes..
Our tastes are our ENTRY door into music ... They are the starting point of our journey they are not our tombstone... Our limitations (tastes) because tastes are also limitations must not be obstacles and justifications of our own ignorance..
i never claim that a piece of music is inferior to another one , and yoruba drumming is not inferior or superior to 17Th century folk music or to Bach compositions...
IS IT CLEAR FOR YOU ?
I said that the rooting and grounding of music in the body/brain and in Nature, the history of music over millenia transmitted in what we called TRADITIONS delimited what is OBJECTIVE VALUES about music...
Commercial music born after Bernays marketing methods MAY lack these interesting growing roots to an extent that some of our "tastes" about commercial music may be too superficial...
I claimed that commercial marketed music is SOMETIMES inferior to any musical forms in human history , by the definition itself of commercial music : a commercial product IMPOSED by artificial conditioning ...
Then i never said that Pygmies music which is rooted as Bach music in an history and in the playing and acting Body/brain in a socially grounded context are inferior or superior...
A.I. produced music so interesting it will be will not be created by musician inhabiting a body and a cultural history... This ring a bell ?
I am not patient with you because you tried to put your words in my mouth...
Then inform yourself... You say that you dont attack me , this is false, you tried to twist my observations to suit your subjective relativism...
For example :
“Commercial music is not yoruba drumming... The content is not the same at all.... The experience is not the same at all”.
According to whom?
Again, not a fact.
Sorry to inform you that science , art, and litterature, and societies are about VALUES, and none of this values are equal... Music created to entertain people in an escalator or used in a commercial mall is not the same as a musical jazz event ...Distinguishing is not condemning.... It is thinking...
Again my post is not about naming names of commercial products to discredit them...
This will be not only stupid, because conmmercial product are also created by embodied musicians coming from their own cultures...
As i said the borders separating "commercial consumerist products" from genuine cultural products is not a clear line ... it is a CONCEPT... This concept is necessary to distiguish music coming from a cultural history with his specific language and and from a human body , distinguishing it from at the other extreme : A. I. created commercial music with no ORGANIC roots in the human body nor in the human real living history...
Is it clear enough?
Or do you maintain that all is equal and relative, our tastes are absolute judges, and our understanding must be stop and lay dormant with our uneducated tastes ?
Myself I dont think so because of these OBJECTIVE facts... About body/brain/soul and cultural history of consciousness...
Calling me "unclassy" and someone who spoke "fancy-shmancy academic talk" will not help you...
And Dont put your arguments in my mouth...
Accusing people of being ELITIST is a tactic i dont appreciate... Elite exist by the way and must be recognized... they must not be imposed and in this we can be in agreement at the condition to respect the existence and concept of elite and not reducing it to relativistic nihilism ...
I dont critic people about their tastes, i critic people who stick to their mere tastes as a rule... or WORST i oppose people who for the sake of their own tastes impose a void relativistic perspectives upon us all ...
Music is a cosmos not a children bathroom for the leisure of workers in their after hours ...It is way more than a hobby... Am i clearer ?
And dont come back saying that i despise workers who relax with their tasteful musical choices each evening with "commercial" product...
I relax too...
But i think too between relaxations...