Jazz for aficionados

@stuartk Speaking in general and in broad terms I would say that in (jazz) music every time period has its own distinctive ’sound’. Fusion, with its arrangements, use of keyboards and other instruments has that too, even more, I would dare to say. The structure of compositions, timing, duration of solo parts, the overall ’sound’ I find very hard to listen too. Again, speaking in general, but I did not find any (fusion) music (from that time period) that I like (not even the album I have posted above)

So, its not about the use of ’electric instruments’, but rather of how are they used. Than again, I am quite certain that with years I am becoming more and more exclusive and not only with music,ha,ha

@alexatpos 

The structure of compositions, timing, duration of solo parts, the overall ’sound’ I find very hard to listen too. Again, speaking in general, but I did not find any music from that time that I like (not even the album I have posted above)

Ah, OK -- I misunderstood. I thought you'd posted the link to that track as an example of one you liked on the J. McLaughlin record. Sorry about that! At any rate, it seems you are very clear about what you do not like when it comes to Fusion.

Anything that uses synths is pretty much out for me -- Fender Rhodes, I'm OK with. So, for example  the first two RTF albums, with Flora Purim, Airto, S. Clarke and Joe Farrell, I like. I don't know if this is actually Fusion -- more like electric Latinized Jazz. 

I can definitely relate to "becoming more and more exclusive". 

I did not like "fusion" in general for the same reason...

"fusion" borrow from different traditions but stay on a superficial sound level often... Especially if the styles they borrow from are not near or related to one another...

For example Bollywood music borrowing from Pop and Indian classical music...

For example, listening to Nikhil Banerjee is a sacred event , listening Bollywood "fusion" is a short leisure at best at least for me...

The same is true for any other "fusion" examples...

There is very good fusion music though , lost in the general not so interesting albums mass...

For example the "fusion" of Bach with jazz by some Jazzman...Or the encounter between Ali Akbar Khan and a jazzman... They are more musical encounter event  and interesting , more than the development of "a new fusion genre" as such  ... the event will not be repeated on a long term creating a new language replacing the two which fusionned for an album...

Some tradition may be influenced by some other genre and integrating it slowly in history..,.It is one thing.... But creating tomorrow a style integrating two genres will not always be so interesting because it takes really genius to do so, each idioms being with his own rules...... I prefer more traditional jazz even free jazz to Pop/jazz "fusion" most of the times...There is exception for sure...

I have a very eclectic musical taste as opposed to narrow taste. I have always been that way and my taste has not narrowed with age. If anything it has widened....

I like the Mahavishnu Orchestra. I like John McLaughlin and Billy Cobham as well as the bassist Rick Laird and keyboardist Jan Hammer. All 4 have studied classical music as well as jazz and Cobham, Laird, and McLaughlin have all played with "giants of jazz"

I like RTF. I like Chic Corea and Stanley Clarke. I like drummer Lenny White and Al De Meola's history speaks volumes.

When I am in the mood I can listen to Flamenco guitar for hours. Paco de Lucia is a virtuoso and a favorite. (yes I own all the duo/trio concert CDs with De Meola, McLaughlin, and Coryell.)

Drummer Tony Williams is another who is known for fusion but played on countless pure "straight ahead jazz" albums with Miles Davis, Jackie McLean, Andrew Hill and Herbie Hancock to name a few.

I went to a Return to Forever Reunion Tour concert at the United Palace Theater in NYC 15 years ago and it was a great experience.

I have seen Billy Cobham live in a jazz setting.

I have seen Chick Corea live in a jazz setting.

I have seen Stanley Clarke live in a jazz setting.

Mahavishnu Orchestra bassist Rick Laird played with sax legends Zoot Sims and Al Cohn before becoming the house bassist at Ronnie Scotts Jazz Club playing with many "giants of jazz" who had a residency there. (he described playing with Sonny Rollins as a great learning experience).

Rick Laird with Victor Feldman:

Victor Feldman Trio - 1965 - YouTube

Billy Cobham with Chick Corea:

Horace Silver Quintet - Song For My Father - YouTube

Tony Williams, Chick Corea, and Stanley Clarke with Stan Getz

Stan Getz - Five Hundred Miles High (1975) [with Chick Corea, Stanley Clarke, Tony Williams & Airto] - YouTube

John McLaughlin with Miles Davis

Miles Davis (with John McLaughlin) - Live at Hill Auditorium, Ann Arbor, MI, USA, February 21, 1970 - YouTube

Al De Meola is on tour and playing at The Patchogue Theater for Performic Arts on Friday October 27, a 10 minute drive from my house. I have tickets.

I take a relaxation break from Russian jazz and from Billy Harper magic...😁

I just listen today to Wes Montgomery Riverside collection...

A must have astonishing 12 cd box ...

I just add another modification to my self amplified small speakers by the way ... I am amazed...

i ask myself why people throw so much money in gear and not so much in music albums...

An audiophile system nowadays cost peanuts if we know what to buy and how to embed it... i am mystified by people who want to invest a fortune in a dac... 😊

Anyway.... I listen music not so much to sound , except these last month because i tweaked my new small speakers to their optimised acoustic treshold ...( with bundle of straws in the rear porthole to increase the bass driver chamber volume and i use a cardboard empty paper roll fixed around the tweeter to increase the focus and separation from the other driver : results is imaging better and better timbre and better bass extension ... Cost peanuts.;.. 😁 Nobody can believe this for sure... Most people believe in money not in acoustics...

For casual listening many hours a day i use my small astonishingly good speakers now in my basement acoustic corner ... But for a sacred more dedicated listening hour nothing beat my AKG K340 headphone...It would need a costly set of speakers in an acoustic room...

 Pat Martino  and Wes Montgomery are really guitar geniuses...  Grant Green too...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnXDKcOHYms&t=2019s