A.I. music


Possibly of interest: "the current rush to advance generative AI technology could be "spiritually, politically, and economically" corrosive. By effectively removing people, like musicians, from algorithms and tech that create new content, elements of society that were once connections between people are turned into "objects" that become less interesting and meaningful, Lanier explained.

"As soon as you have the algorithms taking music from musicians, mashing it up into new music, and then not paying the musicians, gradually you start to undermine the economy because what happens to musicians now happens to everybody later," Lanier said.

He noted that, while this year has been the "year of AI," next year the world is going to be "flooded, flooded with AI-generated music."


https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-jaron-lanier-ai-advancing-without-human-dignity-undermines-everything-2023-10

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To me, AI is the current "pet rock." We have undergone SXSW 2024- and all the panels were devoted to this. I wouldn’t mind learning how to code in Python, only to understand the technical side better. I’ve been a copyright lawyer for more than 40 years, and to me, the legal issues are pretty straightforward, though not necessarily favorable to the rights owners of existing works that are ingested for "training." Remember Y2K? The world was going to go all SkyNet. Nothing happened. Next "new" thing. Neural networks are kind of fascinating, but I suspect the real advances will be bio-tech, not just circuitry.

For what little it is worth, one needs human authorship to claim copyright in any "AI" created work and then, only to the extent of the human contribution. 

For sure artificial biology is the next level...You are right.

Read Anirban Bandyopadhyay and my link above. He is the top expert in the world right now and incredibly not so well known. He is the father of the incoming A. C.  artificial consciousness over  simple A. I.

 

Neural networks are kind of fascinating, but I suspect the real advances will be bio-tech, not just circuitry

Musical notes in a musical phrase are like words. Because as language music is meaning and signification in a context.
 
Then music MUST be recognised by the listener , and accepted or refused, as a wrong note or the good note , not because the note is not sympathic but because the note cannot be accepted as a possibility among all notes possibles at this specific place in the melodic/harmonic tonal places of the melody playing at this moment . The listener must be surprized but he must not be shocked at each moment and derailed from any known tonal landmarks .
 
When we cannot recognize any note as more possible and more likely possible than any other notes then no surprize can exist... When all is imprevisible there is no more any surprize. this is the case in atonal composition.our feeling cannot guide us in the interpretation then in the meaning recognition.
 
In tonal history each notes is used at some specific moment with some probabilities. It all these probabilities are equal there is no surprize and no more any innovative idea. Just a soup of atonal note nobody can interpret with some specific feelings succeeding some other specific feelings...
 
We listen music with the potential bundle of feelings rooted in our body metabolism as well as in our musical history ...
 
Now suppose A. I. composing music... A.I. can imitate known styles more or less skillfully.But A. I. is not an embodied player with innate and learned feelings and emotions history, he will not be able to be creative and be able to move us as a human composer or musician can do .
 
We cannot fake emotions using sounds only to some limited extent . The imitation will emerge more soon than late.
 
Then musicians will be able to use A.I. as a tool for sure. But A.I. cannot replace human body playing an instrument and improvising emotions nor imitate  human mind writing moving music which will evoke very complex set of emotions mixed harmoniously together.
 
Hope and despair for example united together in a single melody with a specific succession of rythms  is not the result of a logical computation even if you mix all hope melodies together and all despair melody together and try to algorythmically to assemble a beautiful new melody  combining the two emotions with the right rythm ... Imagine now playing all the hues of this composed colored melody with two very different emotions inside ?

Here is a symphony where despair and hope are together and immediately recognized as a consolation  played in a waiting meditation culminating in pure enlightenement and liberation ...

Is an A. I. will give us this set of emotions as craftly designed to move us exactly as the composer intended it to do in this specific way  soon ? 😊

This is the best version i know of this work ....

 

 

 Music is not a simulation as the brain is not a simulation but the two are  instantiation of the universal in the individual...  As said Hameroff an orchestration There is no algorythm for that ...

 

 

I certainly appreciate this conversation and while some of us may disagree, that's okay because we are dealing with something completely brand new....at least for us lay people, I won't go into it here but I will argue until I'm blue in the face that AI is not a source of creativity equal to that of the consciousness of humans. And whatever is said about music being adapted and re-framed from previous music I would argue that while there are a limited number of notes available and a human frequency spectrum of ~20-20K hz, coming up with creative tunings of instruments and creative lyrics is not a matter of previous work unless using very broad interpretation. I do wish to thank everyone for all of their contributions to this thread because I think it is important to understand and debate this topic.