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@soix

exactly.  and I’ve not once accused you of making yourself “look utterly foolish”, because that’s a personal attack. I certainly disagree with you, but I don’t insult your intelligence or suggest your posts are “pointless.” We simply disagree.  I think you honestly believe what you think, just as I do.  (Reminds me of a great management aphorism though: “Don’t always believe what you think.”)  

Anyway, let’s see if you can be a little more civil.  I’ll break down my statements in a format that’s easier for you to react to.  Why don’t you tell me, by #, which ones you disagree with, and then we can have an actual, potentially constructive conversation.  (Remember, you’re not allowed to assume a statement not in evidence.)

Statement #1:  Measurements can provide insight into what we hear.

Statement #2:  Measurements can’t possibly do full justice to what we hear in the analog realm, including DACs.

Statenent #3:  Streamers don’t matter if they meet certain basic engineering requirements, which can be measured.

Statement #4:  With respect to noise, measurements provide more accurate insight than subjective listening tests, particularly for gear where the only known differences are noise.

I’m pretty sure we agree violently on #1 and #2, but I wouldn’t want to assume anything.  Looking forward to your (civil) response.

@rvpiano

not what I said.  Here’s a definition:  person who believes too strongly that their personal opinions or beliefs are correct.

We can discuss further, but perhaps the person who engages in ad hominem attacks at the mere mention of an alternate view is a dogmatist.  

@mdalton,

Do you include yourself as one of the “dogmatists on this forum” from your  definition?

@rvpiano

nope.  just take a look at my first post on this thread, where I said:

“Here’s a link to a recent thread where competing perspectives on this issue are discussed:“

recent streamer

I didn’t suggest to you that the alternate view to mine was stupid, incoherent or wrong.  Instead, I pointed you to a thread where both sides of the question were explored.  So I’m really having a tough time understanding your hostility to me,  But hey, knock yourself out.  

@mdalton  You very sadly can’t hear differences between streamers, and that’s a non starter and makes any further discussion with you on the topic pointless because you simply can’t understand what you can’t hear.  So you and the four other people here who likewise think streamers don’t make a difference can just go on thinking that, and you can just keep rocking that iFi Zen Stream and Pro-Ject Stream Box believing that’s as good as it gets and good for you.  The other 98% of us will enjoy exploring and enjoying better streamers and better sound while you go on believing we’re all kidding ourselves.  Ya gotta kinda wonder about the lopsided difference in personal experience there, don’t ya?  Or does that just somehow not compute in your mental equation?  I’d like to think that if I ever found myself in the extreme minority here on some topic that I’d have the self awareness and humility to consider that maybe — just maybe — my compass was off, but you be you.  Regardless, I’m done banging my head against some mad bugger’s wall.  Peace out.