Enough is Enough


I've been looking at changing my DAC. I was considering Lampizator, Playback Designs, and Ideon. Recently a dealer basically told me(with the exception of my subwoofer and music server) my system sucks. He went on to say, I should sell my amps, preamp, DAC, speakers, and start all over! I've owned several different speakers, amplifiers, and DACs. I've attended shows and several different dealers show rooms. In fact, I directly compared one of the amplifiers the dealer recommended to a Rowland 625 S2 amplifier and preferred the 625 S2. I didn't build my system in a vacuum. I determined what I wanted to spend, listened and purchase what I preferred. I've been in sales and submit it would have been better to recommend a DAC that would improve my system. So now I say, maybe enough is enough; because no matter what I have some dealer will tell me it's crap and I have to start over. 

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deep_333,

Thanks for the information. I already sent AcousticFields an email.

Can't help on DAC choices, but would like to share a couple of experiences with salespeople!  By way of background, I live in Canberra, have lived in Melbourne, and visit Sydney a lot.  In Australia, distance is usually measured in driving-hours and these places are 3, 7 and 10 hours apart.

One day in Canberra, my trusted universal disk player failed and I only had a couple of spare hours to find a replacement.  There are really only a couple of dealers worthy of the name.  I told the first I was looking for a universal player that could handle SACDs.  He said "SACDs are no good, don't bother with them" and pushed vinyl.  I watched him demo some electro-techno noise, getting him a cheap speaker sale.  I did not bother to tell him I had 70 or so SACDs in my motorhome, and hundreds more at home. 

The second dealership asked me about my setup, and said they had just got the new Reavon players which looked like Oppo clones.  I'd never heard of Reavon, but walked out with one.  I was in a hurry!

There are a couple of world class dealers in Sydney.  One let me trial Krell gear on a full refund basis, even though I lived in Melbourne at the time. Recently they had a trade-in offer on Sonus faber where the full price you had paid on your trade-ins would be refunded.  I called in to see what the gotcha might be.  OK, the new speakers had to be at least 2.5 times the original price of the trade-ins, which in my case were Quad ESL-2905 electrostatics.  I asked if I could listen to some candidates, even though they were outside my price range. Nothing was too much trouble.  On my way out, I mentioned that I was really looking for some cheap speakers like KEF LS50s as standbys while I repaired my Quads.  The dealer does not sell Quad, nor KEF but mentioned that he had just traded a pair of KEF Reference 1s on the Sonus faber offer! 

Next day I auditioned KEF and other speakers at another dealership, who asked me absolutely nothing about me or my system, I phoned my original dealer to see if I could hear the Reference 1s.  When I got there, they were out of their boxes, properly positioned and the music I audition with was already cued on the streamer.  After a few minutes I said it was a pity they had to take them out of the boxes - sold!

In many ways they are better than the Quads, so I think this was a win-win.

A good salesperson will ask questions to find out what his prospect really needs, and a good prospect will help by being open and honest in his answers.  I hope I am not being sexist here but there seem to be very few hi-fi sales ladies, or female buyers.  When my partner goes looking for hi-fi with me, I have a hell of a job persuading salespeople that she is their prospect!  In fact, one dealer won't give me a price anymore because she bought a complete system elsewhere.  The dealer assumed she was a price shopper, but she paid much more to get good service on the same items.  Come to think of it, she bought from a female!

Ask yourself two simple questions. Did you build your system to please yourself or to please others? Are you happy with the result? If the answers are 'yourself' and 'yes', why would you care what others think of your system, especially someone who has never even heard your system? Only an ignorant blowhard would make such an asinine judgement. 

My experience with dealers has been similar some stated above. Further my situation is much like the guy in Australia...no decent dealers locally or within an hour or two. Every place I have been in recent experience has been disappointing both for the lack of knowledge and tact of the salesperson or the willingness to show something more than a passing interest in meeting my need at the time. So consequently, I have sworn off dealers completely and will only buy direct after reading and trying to understand the differences in potential choices and choose what seems right for me. Not an easy task to be sure, but it beats the expense of running around to dealers hours away from home who don't give S**t whether you buy something appropriate for your needs/wants or not. Indifference to the customer is a huge turnoff. The inability of the salesperson to have at least an equivalent knowledge of audio and satisfy what I need with a suitable recommendation is frustrating and a complete waste of my time. I refuse to play that game anymore. I'm done with dealers.

Dealers are in business to make money. Each salesperson has their own tactics, and some are more pressured to make a sale. You are looking, and they are selling. More industry experienced shop owners and sales people might have handled this differently.  If they don't know how to start by helping you to optimize your existing system, there are plenty of other dealers who can help you with that.