So, “Audio Science Review” really doesn’t like this video


There is a recent video by Steve Guttenberg’s friend Mark on speaker isolation devices. In the video, Mark uses informal listening observations and a microphone and software to try to distinguish differences between different isolation devices with inconclusive results. He then resorts to a blind ABX test with an interesting control related to speaker position.

I really like it for several reasons. One, it is well produced and dryly funny.  Two, it shows a promising approach to blind ABX testing.  I am also in the market for speaker isolation devices.

I posted it on this forum yesterday highlighting the ABX element and nobody commented.  I also posted it on Audio Science Review where it prompted a page plus of discussion including the forum host Amir, most of it skeptical, and then today it was pulled from the site.  The mic drop seemed to really irritate some people there. Or I don’t know, maybe it was something in one of my posts in reply - l’ll never know now.

I am curious what folks on Agon think about the subject matter, the approach and the production values of the video.

https://youtu.be/XAOD3aUfIYQ?si=pYs72o9UAl-21LH6

kn

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@curiousjim update - ASR deleted the thread I started and appended the discussion onto an older ASR thread on Isoacoustics products initiated in December.  While the only message I got from ASR was that my thread was no longer available, I later found Alerts on my member page showing my original posts and the responses to it on a completely different thread.  Weird.  Here is the link to that thread in case you are interested in seeing what folks there have to say about the video and my responses.


https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/isoacoustics-isolation-feet-does-it-really-make-positive-effect-or-fancy-accessories.59214/

The discussion on Mark’s video starts on page 10 of the thread.  You can see the reaction of Amir and others there.

kn

IMO, i am a believer of the Iso acoustics pucks or isolation feet. In my particular case, the improvements i heard was predominant when i was using it with my Falcon Gold Badge LS35a. i don't have floor standers  so no comment on that.

I was skeptical so I did a blind test A/B test with the wifey and she too notice a change on the spatial and overall dynamics. Obviously these are Subtle changes !! but there is something different and we both like what it brings to the sound. 

regarding the video,  i saw that a few days ago and , hmm.. we all have opinions and comments. lets leave it that way. 

In summary, I believe in what Iso Acoutics brings to the table. since that small revelation i got from using it to isolate the LS35a from the stands, I have used it now on my ATC speakers and also used it to isolate the LTA Microzotl Pre and VPI Prime table

 

I dont think that ASR is really about having discussions. They simply dont want to hear anything that deviates from their general beliefs. If they took a less extreme and more balanced view they might be a bit damaging to the hobby. ASR is of no consequence.

@curiousjim ” Kinda a letdown after the huge difference with the Gaia’s.”

That has been my experience in general with isolation products and Isoacoustics in particular.  So far speakers and turntables benefit most obviously.  I tried some Oreas under a Chord Qutest DAC which is small and whatever benefit they provided was outweighed by the attached cables, literally and sonically.  I tried some Oreas under my amp, and there might be a slight improvement.  I will say that I can listen to my system louder now with less fatigue, but have not tested how much of that is due to vibration control versus recent cable upgrades, or whether they are working together to make the improvements.  

My vintage Thorens suspended turntable is sitting on Mapleshade’s vibration control system which is a “drain and isolate” design with large brass spikes, a large maple wood block and isolation footers, and the change in sound provided by that is astonishing, improving just about everything.  And while it kind of matches the old Thorens vibe visually, my wife thinks it looks pretty stupid so for that reason and a constant quest for “better” I am considering a sleeker alternative.  For my small tube phono pre I am using an improvised micro version of the drain and isolate solution and not sure how much value that adds.

Finally, in a system at my daughter’s home I used some Isoacoustics pucks under her monitor speakers that are on her credenza along with her amp and turntable, and as can be expected they made a noticeable positive difference there.

My takeaway, things in your system that depend on vibration to create sound benefit dramatically from isolation.  For devices that only handle signals electronically, the benefits are considerably more subtle, and probably most detectable at higher listening levels.  As with everything HiFi, the more resolving your system overall, the more everything matters - it’s a never ending spiral…

kn

@knownothing 

Thanks for the validation. 

With all the different ears and beliefs out there, I sometimes question whether I hear what I think I hear. 😀