Let's talk music, no genre boundaries


This is an offshoot of the jazz thread. I and others found that we could not talk about jazz without discussing other musical genres, as well as the philosophy of music. So, this is a thread in which people can suggest good music of all genres, and spout off your feelings about music itself.

 

audio-b-dog

@audio-b-dog 

RE: V. Morrison and "TB SHeets", @grannyring nailed it. 

You heard Mother Earth with Tracy Nelson on vocals? Great singer!  

Glad you are finding some enjoyable things on the list I sent. 

I don’t hear what I would call  "rough edges" when it comes to Strength in Numbers, though. They are all virtuosos and technically faultless. Maybe we define "rough" differently.  It’s curious that you didn’t like Winifred Horan. Here’s a taste of her regular band, Solas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGcruwhK_es

RE: "The world has been flooded with dross in all the fields of art throughout history", that's true enough but we've never had a forger as capable as AI, before. I don't worry about it creating more bad art -- I worry about it getting to the point of being able to synthesize so much about good art that it can "create" good art that cannot be differentiated from good human-created art. This is new. And I use the term "good" fully aware that it's a gross oversimplification. Perhaps "convincing' would be a better term, in this case. 

 

 

Bring back Progressive Rock!  I don’t think there is anything like Gentle Giant anymore.  Gotta be one of my all time favorites.

https://youtu.be/ifRnVEkqB2I

@stuartk ,

I like the youtube band you just sent me. Yes, they have rough edges, and I love her Irish accent, if that's what it is. One of the people you sent me to listen to, and now I've forgotten the name, seemed to be playing the same songs as David Grisman only sweetly on a guitar. It sounded like a classically-trained guitarist.

I realized I have a Chris Thile album playing on the Goat Rodeo with Yo-Y0 Ma. To be honest, Goat Rodeo throws me a bit because of all its changes of moods within one song. I'll have to try tackling it a few more times.

As for AI creating art. AI cannot feel love or the fear of death. AI cannot know what it is to have a broken heart. Until that is possible, and more--the deepest human emotions, like the grief of a loved one dying--AI will not be able to produce original art. And I don't think that AI can create good art now. It writes terrible poetry. I've asked it. It can, however, analyze a poem. It's damned good at that. I fed through chatgbt a very complex poem I wrote for my booi, and it nailed the poem within three seconds. That was impressive. 

At best AI will be derivative, perhaps blending the work of a number of artists. I believe that art is a product of human mortality. And AI is not mortal.

@mahgister 

I read the intro, preface, and the first chapter of "The Ever-Present Origin." I'm not sure if I will read the rest now or later. I'm in the middle of "The Plumed Serpent" by D.H. Lawrence and I want to finish it. Although, Lawrence's constant repitition and old style of writing (I've been trained to use one modifier, whereas Lawrence can string together a long list of adjectives) might drive me away from the book.

I think "The Ever-Present Origin" might overlap with me on the research I've done for my book. Our Ven diagrams might have a lot of overlap. I'll have to look further.

if there is overlap between Gebser and you i want to read your book...

I will wait...

@mahgister 

I read the intro, preface, and the first chapter of "The Ever-Present Origin." I'm not sure if I will read the rest now or later. I'm in the middle of "The Plumed Serpent" by D.H. Lawrence and I want to finish it. Although, Lawrence's constant repitition and old style of writing (I've been trained to use one modifier, whereas Lawrence can string together a long list of adjectives) might drive me away from the book.

I think "The Ever-Present Origin" might overlap with me on the research I've done for my book. Our Ven diagrams might have a lot of overlap. I'll have to look further.

@audio-b-dog 

Only time will tell, re: AI's art-making potential.

There is,  needless to say, plenty of derivative art currently being made by humans.

;o)