And Clapton Didn't Even Know


In one of the many tributes to Ornette Coleman I came across the following comment from Jack Bruce regarding Cream. "(Cream) was an Ornette Coleman band, with Eric [Clapton] not knowing he was Ornette Coleman, Ginger [Baker] and me not telling him."

Wow! I was blind, but now I see.
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Bdp

Re: The Band

Another way to state your observations (particularly Clapton's view) is that The Band's greatest admirers were often high profile rockers that had simply their lost interest in rock, preferring The Band's blend of roots styles.

It's not like Clapton looked exclusively at The Band either. Clapton indulged a similar instinct when he hooked up with Delaney and Bonnie Bramlett. You could even reasonably argue that The Band was simply one flavor of the moment for Clapton, tho it is true that he never really looked back to electric blues rock. To this day, Clapton plays little rock music in concert. However, he does not play a lot of Band style roots music, either. His shows now tend to be acoustic blues sets littered with a few hits to keep the audience satisfied.

In recent years, it's become quite clear that Clapton is looking more at guys like JJ Cale than he is at The Band. Is he more astute today, or was he more attuned back when he was more specifically enthralled with The Band?

As to musicianship, The Band was hardly the standard bearer for instrumental technique. (I do understand that that is a big part of your point.). That does beg the question of why you'd accord them such respect as musicians. They were fine players, but not remarkable. As to their fine ensemble playing, that's largely a matter of personal preference. Bands from Yes to Rush to Earth, Wind and Fire combined expert technique with fine with ensemble playing. I'm not at all sure that I'd put them at the head of the line.

To me, the more remarkable aspect of The Band was their ability to incorporate American roots music into expertly played pop music. I'd suspect that that was more of the attraction for their admirers. The Band's particular roots blend was self evidently appealing to many musicians that were looking for avenues of expression that harkened back to acoustic blues, but IMO that doesn't make them singular. A terrific band, but not singular IMO.
thanks Bdp24 for your insight from back then - fascinating & would like to hear more of your experiences. Just had MFBP on last nite & I wondered if I'm even worthy of another listen:)
Interesting perspectives=guys.
Nothing wrong w/ Johnny Kidd nor Buddy Holly, still, (The) Cream were something different and brought "something" different to Rock's table. Yes, I love The Who as well, however, they were chasing The Rolling Stones & The Beatles successes. Happy Listening!
Love the Linn analogy. Very inventive, but it ultimately falls short. Linn was a wonderful proponent of analog playback and was very influential, but direct drive (Technics) and non-suspended belt drive (Rega) turntables have dominated the market. Linn's now a digital company, is that like Robbie Robertson using samples and creating electronica?

Totally agree with Martykl.
I confess to, when first reading the Ornette Coleman comment, rolling my eyeballs and dismissing it as an attempt by an aging rocker to capitalize on the cache of jazz; avant garde jazz, nonetheless. Don't get me wrong, I have always been a fan of Cream and its three members individually, but I never really learned much about Jack Bruce's musical background and my listening preferences took me in a very different direction a long time ago. I came across this documentary that some of you may find interesting and taught me quite a bit about what a talent Jack Bruce was. Unlike a lot of other aging rockers he was playing and possibly singing better than ever (!) up to the time of his passing. The documentary explained for me the Ornette Coleman comment and pointed out that the animus among the members of Cream was between he and Ginger Baker; not Clapton.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w3KBEq95N5U