Thiel 3.6's - Stereophile measurements


I have not had the benefit of an audition with these speakers. There are few dealers still selling them. My question is regarding the measurements which accompany the Stereophile review from 1993. The frequency response measurements show a big suckout in the midrange at 45" distance. At 10-15 feet is this suckout apparent? Are there any coherency issues with this speaker that I should be aware of? My listening position is 14 feet from where the speakers will probably be setup in my room.
jazzdude
Gnobber:

I wouldn't say that the imaging or the soundstage was necessarily better with the 2.4's. More like you were listening through a thin sheet of fabric with the 3.6's by comparison. So, I guess that would also mean that to my ears the 2.4's were brighter and less laid back. And by using that term for the 3.6's, I mean laid back only by comparison to other, newer, Thiels. In general, they are not what I would call a laid back speaker. And from what I could tell (not being able to do a direct A/B with identical systems), I did not think that the 2.4's had smoother treble. In fact, I'd say that my ears told me just the opposite. The 2.4's are great speakers. And they really wow you with their scalpel-like precision. Notes end exactly when they should. The definition between instruments is palpable. Overall, I liked them a lot. However, I liked the more full sound of the 3.6's, and I find the 3.6's to be a tad softer on the high end. Another factor in favor of the 3.6's is that the 2.4's don't feel like they are moving as much air. They just didn't have the same degree of weight to them, when the music calls for it.

Drubin:

Yes, I agree that the 2.4's are more forward sounding than both the 1.6's and the 3.6's. If you feel that the 3.6's take a bit of the edge off of your music, then the 2.4's are a better match. Conversely, if your system needs to have the reigns pulled in a bit on the high end, and needs a little beef added, then the 3.6's may be the ticket. I will say that the midrange focus on the 2.4's clearly exceeded that of the 3.6's. While I consider the 3.6's to have full, balanced midrange, by comparison to the 2.4's, the 3.6's sound slightly warm and fuzzy. With my system, and in my room, that is not such a bad thing. But if you had a fairly neutral system in an acoustically non-reflective room, the 2.4's (especially with a sub) would probably make you smile a little harder than the 3.6's.

All in all, they are both Thiels, and probably sound more alike than they do different.

Hope this helps, Tom.
Tombowlus,

thanks very much for your reply- your distinctions are very clear, and I have a much better idea what to listen for when I get to audition the 2.4's.
Jazzdude: JA has acknowledged that these response measurements obtained for spaced-driver first-order speakers, such as the Thiels, are the predictable result of his limited distance mic placement.

Dan: You've been busy...I didn't know you had gone ahead and gotten the 2.4's. Still haven't heard them myself. Hope you're enjoying, but it sounds like there might be issues...
Alex, I did get the 2.4's, from a fellow Audiogoner. They arrived just before I had some back surgery, after which I went through one of those periods of not being too involved in my audio system. Starting to snap out of it now and getting back to serious listening.

The speakers did seem too forward to me at first, but I just got my preamp back from a minor modification and upgrade and now I'm not so sure. The Thiels are sounding quite right, actually. The bigger issue is that, while I find them terrific in many respects, I also find that I'm a little bored with the music. Uh-oh.
Tombowlus - could you go into further detail explaining the meaning of the term "fuzzy" regarding the 3.6's midrange relative to the 2.4's. To me, "fuzzy" implies a lack of detail and definition similar to "opaque".