I don’t think so. There was never any mention of a device used for measurements. He mentioned every speaker, amp, dac , wire etc.. I saw nothing about IMD, SINAD, Jitter , or anything that could take proper measurements, the only " measurements " I saw in that article had to do with bit rates and how they were filtered. He is not comparing 2 DACs with a SINAD >-110 sounding different but files manipulation and analog filters which can sound different. One may prefer one over the other.
A Very Useful New Discovery--EON Digital Filter from Network Acoustics
I've been on a year long quest to upgrade my stereo system, hopefully for the last time. As a senior "Luddite", I have been a late adopter of steaming capability. But now I'm converted. And just in time it apparently. In August 2020, DG released a new recording of all four Charles Ives Symphonies with the LA Phil and Dudemel conducting....with no CD format available!
Currently I'm listening to music through an Auralic G1 steamer/ Benchmark dac 3 DAC B into a newly built Audible Illusions Modulus 3B preamp and a Parasound A23+ power amp. CD's are played on an Audiolab 6000 transport into the Benchmark via Toslink. Speakers are Vanderstein Treo CT's. Oh there's still vinyl. I upgraded my trusty Well-Tempered TT with a Hana ML cartridge into a Sutherland Insight phono amp. Power supplies are a Furman PTS-8 with a Greenwave for devices switched on/off and an Audioquest 1200 for the devices left on, like the amp and the pre-amp. Everything is sounding really good (mostly acoustic jazz, Americana and Classical....lotsa acoustic piano).
I read on the 'Gon about a device from the U.K. called, EON from Network Acoustics. It is an EMI/RFI filtering device. We live on the Westside of LA. There's plenty of stray noise around. The one thing that worried me was the thirty foot run of contractor grade ethernet cable I was running from the office to the Auralic G1. I generally run mid-price cables, (Audioquest Carbon USB, Rocket 88 bi-wire speaker cables with DBS, Signal silver cables to the Sutherland, etc). Researching the EON, it seemed like this unit could be an asset, or at least save the money of 30 feet of Audioquest Cinnamon cable. And it was reasonably priced (under $500.00)!
I traded e-mails with Rich. He thought I would really like it but made two modest suggestions. He suggested that I add a D-Link DSG 1008G network switch (under $30.00) and add a short link of good cable to the EON. (I ended up using the Audioquest Cinnamon ethernet). And he also suggested I pick up a IFI 5V power supply. ($50.00)
So.....what happened?
Suddenly the bass information, seemingly missing, was deep and powerful. I can actually feel the low bass strings on Christian McBride's acoustic bass pressing on my chest. And the percussive drive of Brian Blades drumming is being felt, not just implied. (Joshua Redman, Round Again, Nonesuch). The overall focus of everything is sharper. Like when you are tuning a guitar and the last little turn gets the top E string exactly right..... not just close. Brad Mehldau on, April 2020, sounds exactly like he is playing in my living room on a well cared for Steinway. Wow! Just Wow!!!!
I foolishly, but honestly, told my wife that I don't know to make this system sound any better. I'm all done. Back to listening to music!
Important P.S The D-Link requires a male USB 2.0 Mini-B 5pin connector. Even though the IFI comes with many connector options, this isn't one of them. Nancy had one from an old I -Pad, keyboard connector.
Currently I'm listening to music through an Auralic G1 steamer/ Benchmark dac 3 DAC B into a newly built Audible Illusions Modulus 3B preamp and a Parasound A23+ power amp. CD's are played on an Audiolab 6000 transport into the Benchmark via Toslink. Speakers are Vanderstein Treo CT's. Oh there's still vinyl. I upgraded my trusty Well-Tempered TT with a Hana ML cartridge into a Sutherland Insight phono amp. Power supplies are a Furman PTS-8 with a Greenwave for devices switched on/off and an Audioquest 1200 for the devices left on, like the amp and the pre-amp. Everything is sounding really good (mostly acoustic jazz, Americana and Classical....lotsa acoustic piano).
I read on the 'Gon about a device from the U.K. called, EON from Network Acoustics. It is an EMI/RFI filtering device. We live on the Westside of LA. There's plenty of stray noise around. The one thing that worried me was the thirty foot run of contractor grade ethernet cable I was running from the office to the Auralic G1. I generally run mid-price cables, (Audioquest Carbon USB, Rocket 88 bi-wire speaker cables with DBS, Signal silver cables to the Sutherland, etc). Researching the EON, it seemed like this unit could be an asset, or at least save the money of 30 feet of Audioquest Cinnamon cable. And it was reasonably priced (under $500.00)!
I traded e-mails with Rich. He thought I would really like it but made two modest suggestions. He suggested that I add a D-Link DSG 1008G network switch (under $30.00) and add a short link of good cable to the EON. (I ended up using the Audioquest Cinnamon ethernet). And he also suggested I pick up a IFI 5V power supply. ($50.00)
So.....what happened?
Suddenly the bass information, seemingly missing, was deep and powerful. I can actually feel the low bass strings on Christian McBride's acoustic bass pressing on my chest. And the percussive drive of Brian Blades drumming is being felt, not just implied. (Joshua Redman, Round Again, Nonesuch). The overall focus of everything is sharper. Like when you are tuning a guitar and the last little turn gets the top E string exactly right..... not just close. Brad Mehldau on, April 2020, sounds exactly like he is playing in my living room on a well cared for Steinway. Wow! Just Wow!!!!
I foolishly, but honestly, told my wife that I don't know to make this system sound any better. I'm all done. Back to listening to music!
Important P.S The D-Link requires a male USB 2.0 Mini-B 5pin connector. Even though the IFI comes with many connector options, this isn't one of them. Nancy had one from an old I -Pad, keyboard connector.
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Isn't it kind of funny that there's an understanding among the builders of digital file playback systems that there are differences in sound due to dithering techniques that would suit different listeners preferences, and, that they'd feel free to acknowledge that they measure the same? They must feel comfortable in knowing that it's true and not go to great lengths to qualify each and everything they say just in case some HLOs would take exception to it. That manufacturers would go so far as to state it in their press releases so reviewers can use it in their reviews so readers can have a better understanding of it. If every review of any component were to go to such great lengths as you demand, reviews would be tomes in size and not just a few pages long. Anyways, all I hear is should have, could have, maybe, etc., but no real explanation as to why. All the best, Nonoise |
The user can adjust settings for dither to minimize quantization errors, and also choose one of four settings for the Noise Shaper, which changes “linearity and noise characteristics in the audible range using digital feedback. The measurements are the same but the sound quality changes.” Reviewer makes stuff up or just parrots manufacturers marketing sheet. Turn to page 34B for further details. The measurements would absolutely not be the same. |
No need to contact Marantz just read the manual. Improves linearity and noise characteristics in the audible I assumed Marantz means the bit rate/ Hertz [24/192 ] stays the same when they use the term measurements. If not then I have no idea what they are talking about since they say in their literature the SNR improves using certain settings and the last one up to 5khz. Perhaps you can contact Marantz and ask them how they know the SNR changes without measuring it? And since it changes how are the measurements the same? |
nonoise6,669 posts01-14-2021 8:42pmI have no reason to contact Marantz. An honorable person would admit they were wrong and barking up the wrong tree. It should have been obvious the measurements could not be the same. Marantz clearly in the manual states they are not the same. But as opposed to recognizing this, you try to make it look like you are the one in the right. |
I'm not barking up any tree. I just wanted clarification and even now, you're not sure and continue to swing for the fences, considering it settled. Then, you get on your hobby horse with personal attacks. Your feeble sophist attempts to save face are kind of amusing. You could very well be right, or kind of right, or just half right and not directly addressing what the reviewer stated. Keep swinging, Casey. All the best, Nonoise |
Not much to say other than to quote your own posts. Djones showed quite clearly that yes, changing these setting absolutely will change the measurements. It is right there in the user manual. As opposed to acknowledging that, you are condescending to him. I have no face to save. I stated that there was no way it would measure the same. Djones did the leg work and proved that true. There is nothing to address that the review said. He said the measurements don’t change. They absolutely do. No one doubts that the changes would be audible (and measurable), except perhaps you.
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I assumed Marantz means the bit rate/ Hertz [24/192 ] stays the same when they use the term measurements. If not then I have no idea what they are talking about since they say in their literature the SNR improves using certain settings and the last one up to 5khz.Like i already said, you're not sure. All the best, Nonoise |
This is so cute!! A match made in heaven: DowJones51 and several variants of the entity now posting under Audio2Design. As it has always been with his other 4-5 previous usernames. Very cute! One thing DowJones can count on for sure: Audio2Design being resurrected over and over again to back him up in the Holy War |
in spite of the return policy I immediately felt I made a mistake after I hit the buy button for the ENO Ag. When it came I was disappointed, its plastic and feather weight. I was sure I made a mistake and almost sent it back without trying it. That would have been a big big mistake. Worth every penny and then some. Unmistakable and immediately recognized "way more better effect". I also have a Etherregen and English Electric 8S and SOtM cLK switch and use all 3. The ENO Ag is the last in line, and feeds an Innuos Statement. Definitely a keeper it works. |
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I just received my ENO Ag from Rich. My Ethernet chain consisted of EtherRegen and Gigafoil V4 closest to my Streamer. After some A/B tests the best combo for me was router-Gigafoil-ENO-Streamer. The biggest change was larger soundstage and micro details with the ENO in the chain. I didn't feel the EtherRegen was needed anymore. I love that the unit is passive so I don't need to add another power supply to the mix. Rich has been fantastic to deal with and I'll be ordering another unit for my second system. -Alex |
@rareace, I am on my 2nd day of listening and that’s my impression too about ENO Ag. These are of course preliminary impressions as this thing is still breaking in.... @milpai, First thing I’ve noticed how the sound is more life-like with ENO in the mix. I am hearing noticeable reduction in mesh noise, more texture around vocals and instruments. The sense of realism is spooky good, bass is slightly more textured and a bigger soundstage. |
@rareace, The ENO Ag is between my Apple router and N10. My rest of the system is here, https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8046 |
So glad both of you are basically hearing the same improvements I heard. We speak the same language with different dialects! I have neglected to mention that I have added the Network Acoustics CU UBS cable since I wrote the original post .Although I can't swear it was an enormous improvement, it certainly tightened everything up a tad...and it is a substantial piece of work for a very reasonable price. Lately, I have been listening to a lot of piano music. Besides Brad Mehldau, a perennial musical voice in this house, I've been on a Yuja Wang kick lately. We kick things off with Yuja bangin' out a ferocious take on "Why Must The Devil Get All the Good Tunes" and the ethereal "China Gates" followed by the Berlin Recital album. (Both available on Quobuz in Hi-Res). To me, acoustic piano is the greatest test of digital sound. I hear overtones, tightness and rightness of image, speed and most importantly, a lack of "digital ringing" on the treble side of the keyboard. Plus the increased focus of the bass clefs. And, I made the same mistake when I told my beautiful bride, "Honey I don't think I can't get the system to sound any better" LOL. |
Rareace...Because of your question, I will do some research on the GigafoilV4. I'm not up to date on that, but in general I totally agree with your premise. Rich, from Network Acoustics, suggested I add a network switch...he suggested a DS Gigabyte Link 5 port, which I did. So it was ethernet builders grade cable from the router to the DS link. Then an Audioquest Cinnamon cable to the ENO. The DS link went sideways on me, so I replaced it with a Cisco 110 D-05. I then added the Network Acoustics CU USB cable from the Cisco to the ENO. I currently have a new DS Link in the garage unused. But as I said, I'll do some research. |
@lalitk I have the Gigfoil V4 powered by Mojo Illuminati V1 LPS with AQ Diamond Ethernet cable going into the ENO Ag. This feeds an upgraded PSU modded Bluesound node 2i into a Border Patrol SEi DAC with a AQ Dragon Source power cable and Inakustik 2404 Interconnects out to my Line Magnetic 805ia and Harbeth 30.1's. All sitting on Critical Mass Center Stage 2 footers. -Alex |
I ordered my Eno Ag on Saturday. Richard followed up with questions about my network the next business day, I received the Eno today. That’s certainly exceptional service so far. I don’t have any performance feedback yet as it just arrived. Once I get to listening, my goal is to see if I can eliminate the etherRegen as I’m trying to reduce the number of power supplies in the chain. |
I’ve asked DJones several times in the past to participate in a debate with John Darko to air his complaints against Darkos reviews but he never shows up including suggestions to join AudioPhileStyle to set those people straight though he won’t bite , Meanwhile over on ASR someone discovered a Sony receiver that measures so well it caught everyone by shock and surprise which started a love fest of measurements. |
Everyone knows that guy ‘Amir’ knows zero about audio. He’s made a living peddling his crap to useful idiots like this fella @djones51, who in turn trots it out on a daily basis here, there and everywhere. Apologies to the manufacturer for putting up with his bollocks and being so civil in his responses. Kudos sir - I couldn’t have been so patient and polite. |
janehamble119 Everyone knows that guy ‘Amir’ knows zero about audio. He’s made a living peddling his crap to useful idiots ...It’s a religion to these folks. It has its priests, its proselytizers and its infidels. Like many religions, it provides comfort and security to those seeking answers to the meaning of things, oftentimes leaving them with a smug, self-important sense of personal worth and power. |
I’ve had the ENO ag in my system for a week now and find that it does make a noticeable difference. Individual instruments stand out and are more clearly delineated. So far it has increased my listening pleasure a great deal. I was skeptical that it would really improve things but since I listen to digital files either streaming or from a Roon nucleus internal drive, it was worth a try. Color me impressed. I’ll report more after further listening and break in. |
