@david_ten
yes, went with the double impacts.
i couldnt stand having them staring at me any longer so I hooked them up to the original system I listed at the beginning of the thread.. *****i didnt change any of the settings on my receiver (room adjustments, equalization) so i know this isnt optimal**** nor is it the final destination for the DIs but I wanted to hear them!!! First impressions:
1. Yeah, that efficiency is there! These things effortlessly fill up a 10x14 room with 18 ft vaulted ceilings (just realized thats the size of the new room sans the ceiling space..) and a breakfast nook, and on into the kitchen with clarity
2. I found that bass I was worried about.. If there was supposed to be deep bass, there was deep bass, if the bass wasnt that low, it wasnt that low etc.. I feel they are very accurate speakers..
3. Said differently, everything was very even... i found I could focus on any instrument and easily hear it in detail or I could "pull back" and not focus on anything specifically
4. At loud volumes (I mean ridiculously loud.. rock concert level...) the highs lost some clarity but im chalking that up to a couple of factors.. first and foremost, I didnt flatten the eq and my PSBs require a little boost in the higher range... Secondly. The speakers have not had adequate break in time. Now, at more reasonable levels they were just fine
5. The size does take a little getting used to but after a couple of days my wife didn't even mind them being in the room... so needless to say the 1-2 day trial has been extended...
in other news.. the room construction should begin in earnest within the next week or so along with other odds and ends falling into place as well... wish me luck!
obviously I'll l update the impressions once everything is in place |
We are already wayyyyyyy off the original topic here but since the thread is already established.... I have some questions regarding sound containment and y'all seem to know some things....
Now that the framing is up I can officially state the size of the room is 11x15... the room is freestanding as it is not attached to any structural walls or the ceiling. There will be 2 layers of insulation on the ceiling. Since I have a subfloor below my basement I put the framing on top of a layer of 1/4 inch styrofoam. I am double drywalling with green glue in between layers and will have insulation between the studs.. I am considering using the aforementioned styrofoam as a buffer between the studs and drywall.. Of course the spaces between drywall panels will be sealed and the outlets and whatnot will be sealed as well, most likely with spray insulation...
I don't plan on finishing the drywall so am curious about how to "finish" the walls and have the makings of a good sound space and also contain sound as much as possible...this is s a dedicated room so functionality is the important part... my original intent was to put industrial carpet on the walls and call it good... I am also considering curtains or panels that are similar to moving blankets but made specifically for the purpose of absorbing sound...
thoughts on on these ideas? Also open to suggestions as well but at this point cost is becoming more and more of a factor so please keep that in mind...
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Also, I am actively perusing the sound proofing threads as well, just figured since we were already here might as well ask... |
Also also, I have some questions about electrical as well as air circulation so if anyone has knowledge in those areas and would like to help let me know and I'll shoot you a message.. |
It appears there are a handful of owners that are pushing/posting the DI into the hall of fame of speakers.I admit I havent heard these speakers but they could'nt look any more distacting,IMO..I would suggest before jumping on the flavor of the month band wagon to listen to them and judge for yourself |
I am beginning to feel the same @missioncoonery . There is another thread asking recommendations for $25k loudspeaker pair. One of the "handful of owners" responded with Tekton Ulfs on 07/03. The OP, nor anyone else in the thread responded to that. So one of the "handful of owners"
made the same recommendation for the same loudspeaker yesterday.
I have not heard the Tektons, but that huge thread and the same people recommending the speakers over and over again is making me suspicious. Not sure what is going on here. |
No need to be suspicious here. I have a pair of the Double Impacts breaking-in. In my 2 channel/HT system and they sound very good. They do compete well with higher cost speakers. They replaced my Monitor Audio GX300's and sound much better at half the price.
in my dedicated listening room upstairs I have JansZen zA2.1 hybrid electrostats with the very similar tube amplification from LTA. The DI's do not top my Janszen's in sound quality but the DI's do their own thing very well and if you don't have 4x the money for the Janszen's then the DI's really are a bargain.
Lance |
Milpai, I recommended the Ulfberhts because they met all of the OP's requirements, and sound mighty damn good while doing it. Maybe you should try them before bashing them....
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I dont believe the poster nor me is "bashing" them.Im just saying (and I think he is as well)that a flavor of the month comes and goes thats why they are called "flavor of the month"..and if the same posters completely dominate,salivate,go on and on makes me think..ok here we go again...Maybe they are as good as speakers costing 10 times or more,maybe not,wouldnt know until heard and since they are online sales only as far as I can see makes one wonder..I did read on another site the comments are not as overwhelming in the postive and are more what one would expect considering the cost and look.Maybe if the manufacture would actually do some measurements we could see,that might help. |
Whenever I hook up an older pair of "cheap" speakers to my newer much better (than what I used to run old speakers off of) electronics the results never fail to impress me. My 40 year old OHM Ls ($400 a pair in 1978) never sounded better and compete with much more expensive modern speakers.
I think Billy Joel may have gotten it right. Older speakers are often bigger and can be much badder than modern often undersized big brothers that cost way more, when fed equally well and set up right. Inflation is a bugger! Plus I am much better able to set these things up well these days than I was many years ago after years of trial and error and learning.
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Do all Tekton speakers have a "house sound"? If so what?
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Hi Mapman. Those old paper based maps worked also! Not a bad analogy, eh..... : ) I remember spending hours at the map stores, when I was a kid. Great memories.
I agree and would add that even current 'cheaper' speakers can sound great once the system ahead of them is optimized and is working well together.
As for a house sound for Tekton speakers, I cannot comment since the Double Impacts are my first Tekton speakers.
There are others who have had multiple models who will be able to answer your question.
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david, coincidentally, my old OHM Ls still have the original (gasp) PAPER tweeters that work very well.
cheers! |
@333jeffery, which line in my post is bashing the Tektons? I have even acknowledged the fact that I have not heard them.
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I wouldnt worry about it Milpai,some people get all uptight when challenged or disagreed with.From what Ive read(not on this site as like I said a few here are leading the charge for speaker of the decade ) but on more realistic forums the Tektons are not holding their own very well.One speaker was put on the meter and graphed out, forgetting which model and it basically performed average at best.The posters even went further stating the reason we as consumers havent seen anything on the Double Impact is it would most likely fall on its face..Their words not mine,Again I havent heard Tekton and until the make the over to retail stores I doubt I will. |
One speaker was put on the meter and graphed out, forgetting which model and it basically performed average at best.The posters even went further stating the reason we as consumers havent seen anything on the Double Impact is it would most likely fall on its face.
Can you provide any links to this website.
I personally have measured my pair of DI's in my own listening room and was quite pleased with the results proved to me the why's and how's of the sound I'm hearing.
You can label me a "Fanboy" if you desire but they are the best measuring and best sounding speaker that I have owned in my 35yrs in this hobby.
Kenny. |
I must say I have emailed and spoke to a couple of longtime Agon members who have owned some of the best gear available and know what is hype vs. the real deal. Kenny, the previous poster is one such Agon gem. Each one loves the DI and praises it as the best speaker they have owned. I believe them and have no reason to believe otherwise. They have proven trustworthy with no secret agenda. It is both possible and likely it represents the best value ever seen in speakers. Good for us all!
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I've done on axis and off axis measurements with my crappy little iPhone audio tool app within 5db all the way. Mostly within 2-3. The DIs measure better than anything I've owned in the past 6 years in a room at my home and that's with a tube preamp. Maybe not real scientific but I do like them better than any speaker I've owned thus far by a good margin.
B&W Diamond one of the big ones, 802 maybe measured worse than the Tekton stereophile measured I believe.
I got no dog in the race, to my ears they are really freakin good with everything I throw at em. |
Bill,
I wasn't doubting anybody's credibility I have googled around the web and couldn't find any measurements on any of Tekton speakers and I'm just primarily curious which model is being talked about.
As you probably know the DI's is the only Tekton speaker that I have heard and unfortunately there is a lot of hype involved but I can easily look past that.
I really only care about great sound that gets me closer to the music I love and my current setup gives me the best sound I've ever had.😃
Kenny.
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Stereophile measures the Enzo XL I believe it was. |
Ok I posted a while back before I got the DIs-well I've been listening to them a week- and I've really been listening because my wife is at her parents the whole week. I get to blast it as loud as I want till 4-5 in the morning. Fun fun. Anyway these speakers are that good. I've had the Grand Veenas the last 4 years. Amazing speakers but these are a whole other level. More alive, more micro details, more slam better bass, cleaner highs. Forget what they cost, they are reference level regardless of price. Terry London my friend and the one who wrote the review on these, has heard most speakers out there and thinks these are the best. He's never steered me wrong so I'm sure he's right. One reminder- I am a musician for 37 years, professional for 21 and I play 8-9 instruments. I know what every instrument sounds like in the real world. I'm confident to say I hear better than non musicians because of all my years of training and experience. I play all my instruments at a high level and I've done loads of studio recording. You can trust me you can't go wrong with these speakers. Oh I'm listening to discs I've had for 30 years, albums I've heard a million times and im hearing things I've never heard before. Amazing.
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Oh I oh I almost forgot this- there is one big problem with the these speakers if you are married. Your wife will surely hate them, lord knows mine does. They're quite big. It's worse for me- my wife has a bachelors in interior design. She is freaking out about their size. They're too good to give up so she will have to adjust. I think all audiophiles have to deal with this kind of thing. Wives never get it and don't care.
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@sslide Great to hear you are happy with your Double Impacts. Be sure to post your findings over on the T'ekton Double Impacts' Thread as well.
I'm sure your wife cares about you. And that is all that really matters. :) |
Where is the other tekton thread? It looks like there's 2-4 of them here. |
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la10slgr,
FWIW, I purchased a pair of Tekton DI's after reading reviews here and elsewhere. People were genuinely impressed and surprised by their capability while others were doubtful. I took a chance on these knowing i could send them back and be done with it. I set them up and was very impressed right off. After 30+ hours and a number of different CD's I have found them to be very very good in a number of ways. I also have tinnitus and I do not find these speakers to aggravate that at all. There were certain cd's I have played with my Gallo 3.5 reference speakers that my ears would not tolerate but played with the DI's they are spectacular. They are round tones, warm, natural sound to the ear. The tone and timbre are marvelous. The soundstage and imaging are, to me, impeccable. Very real and life like. The bass is rich and textured even at my lowest listening volume, which is 1!!!. I still can't believe it! I stay up too late now listening, and nobody in my small wooden house can hear it. There is nothing about this speaker I don't like and everything to look forward to. I will change some cabling to tweak the sound a little here and there. My wife, who is not an audiophile, but loves music, was never really engaged with the Gallo speakers. She is thoroughly engaged now with these DI's. Actually, we sit and listen together and we talk about life. We have been affected by the music. What blew her socks off was a James Taylor Live CD. We are literally in the room with all of the people. It is truly astounding and to be honest I didn't expect them to be this good. I feel lucky to have read these threads about the Tekton products and I feel even luckier to own a pair of DI's. I have the upgraded version. I have auditioned other speakers in the past, i have heard some other systems. I still remember the best sound I ever came across on Martin Logans with Mac tube gear. My system sounds as good, if nit better than that. I have a hz meter app on my phone and heard 21.53 hz on a classical piece. Very detailed, clear, balanced. Never is the bass, or any other instrument, out of scale. I am keeping these! It will be this speaker that I build my system around. BAT VK 500 amp, VK 51se pre tube, VK5dse tube cd, speltz silver IC's, speltz reference speaker cable, zu power cords. Zu was better than speltz power cord and it was my wife that could hear the difference when I switched it out.
There it is!
Greg |
@greg22lz
That's great news to hear. I have tinnitus and definitely looking forward to hearing this speaker with my equipment soon. Whenever I read the term very revealing I get very cautious and shy away from those types of speakers. But these seem special from everything I have read. Hopefully I can confirm this in a week or 2. |
@aniwolfe
i too hear that phrase and it is something to be cautious of concerning audio equipment . It is sort of along the lines of " needs tlc" and should make one wary. In this case I would not use the that phrase when describing these speakers. They are detailed without being bright. They are not harsh in any way and are extremely musical. I will be interested to hear your thoughts about them!
greg |
I did buy the DIs back in May and just recently finished the room they will live in.. Obviously that took a LOT longer than I ever would have anticipated... As for the speakers, they were absolutely amazing in my fairly large family room straight out of the box (I had to at least play with my new toys while building the room).. Absolutely amazing!!! My dedicated room is presenting some challenges due to the small size so I am addressing those challenges at the moment and getting a crash course education in acoustical engineering. To be perfectly clear, I don't blame the DIs in the least as I know what they can do but I cannot come out and say they are as good in my dedicated room. I am working on sound control at the moment and will update as warranted.. |
