My new Borresen X3's

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  The problem with Borresen is exactly what Raidho did when he was with that company..They upgrade or come with with new lines way way too often leaving those who bought their speakers 12 months ago or 24 months ago holding the obsolete bag..In 2022 the X3 was released,Axpona this year saw the new C series I think it is and now I hear another line is at Germany 2024..and we all know what happens when your speaker is upgraded or a new series is released..dump dump dump the value of what you have...Could be a great speaker but the resale value isnt there down the road.Great I guess if you like to buy on the cheap

Well  that is what tech is all about, always developing/always improving,

Speakers are no longer wooden boxes and paper cones, there is a lot of R and D involved.

And no I don't plan to sell these any time soon or probebly every, hey are that good!!

Im not saying Borresen isnt a good speaker and im not tryin to rain on your parade.I just saw a video where the importer was saying if you have the X series dont even listen to the new C line..its that much better,Insinuating you will want to move up the line or in this case spend a tad more and get way better speakers.. In 12 months my friend this is what they are saying about the X series..thats all im saying.You watch an onslaught of X2 and X3 speakers coming to market soon and half retail or less as the last real listing for X3 speakers was 6500 i think and they were on for months...

The problem with Borresen is exactly what Raidho did when he was with that company..They upgrade or come with with new lines way way too often leaving those who bought their speakers 12 months ago or 24 months ago holding the obsolete bag..In 2022 the X3 was released,Axpona this year saw the new C series I think it is and now I hear another line is at Germany 2024..and we all know what happens when your speaker is upgraded or a new series is released..dump dump dump the value of what you have...Could be a great speaker but the resale value isnt there down the road. Great I guess if you like to buy on the cheap

You’d rather buy the rinse/rehash/repeat trash going on strong for 30 years ("high end") from the laziest designers on earth? Or are you a dealer for some competitor’s brand?

Im not saying Borresen isnt a good speaker and im not tryin to rain on your parade.I just saw a video where the importer was saying if you have the X series dont even listen to the new C line..its that much better, Insinuating you will want to move up the line or in this case spend a tad more and get way better speakers.. In 12 months my friend this is what they are saying about the X series..thats all im saying.You watch an onslaught of X2 and X3 speakers coming to market soon and half retail or less as the last real listing for X3 speakers was 6500 i think and they were on for months...

I know who that boob is, who said such a thing (hope he isn’t your guiding light). I have the Borresen X6 and i have heard the Cseries bookshelf speaker. I have also heard the M series. Nope, no sign of upgraditis here.

Further, many a times, the higher series are paired with much better electronics and tweaks. Many a times, it is the electronics that carried it and made you think it was a never ending miracle of the speaker, as you went up the series.

Put the 2 series on the same electronics+tweaks in the same room side by side and we’ll talk further, ok?

I was told the Z series is being discontinued ..so I guess we don't talk,ok

@missioncoonery +10!

I know several who own them and I helped upgrade their only weakness 

like most speakers under $30 k 

they use the lower grad3 Ajantzen capacitors , for another $600

they should have used the Jantzen Alumina Z foil capacitor much better 

after changing just 2 capacitor a big difference lone guy used the VH Audio Odam 

capacitors  and path audio resistors it make a very good speaker at least 15% better still. Just go to humble home made hifi capacitor test ,.

"Speakers are no longer wooden boxes and paper cones,"

Uh, yes they are...lots of them.

I was told the Z series is being discontinued ..so I guess we don’t talk,ok

Oh, ok.... In that case, we could put the M3 and the X6 on the same high end Aavik electronics+tweaks (that they only use with the M3) in the same room side by side and we can determine what a world of difference you heard between the two or not (at normal listening levels, as you sat blindfolded), what do you think?

We could do something even better too. We could add a pair of high quality subs to the M3 and X6 and do a comparison as well.

Do you even have a Borresen speaker? Doesn’t sound much like it at all....Ok, ok.

Glad I didn’t get new speakers…

No I don't own Borresen speakers I had Raidho though and lost a sheeeet load of money so I know better now lol

@tlittlefield I just received my new X1’s about 2 months ago and I love them in my office!!

Happy to hear that the X3’s are even more amazing!!

Congrats!

Great speakers. I love their monitors. 
Enjoy the music. 

I am so happy for you!  I still haven’t heard the X3’s or any other Borresen speakers, but all the reviews say good things about them.

@deep_333  You are biased if you own the X6. I am not saying it is a bad speaker but you have to understand Missioncoonery came from a Raidho that was way more money than your toy and has a more experienced perspective that may have some weight in his opinion.

Yes the C series is better but you better have 2x the $$ money to buy them .

theyhave speakers up to$500 k 

the x series are stil a very good buy .

@missioncoonery Borreson has just come out with the T5 speakers with Titanium cone material. It's just below its M series that has Zirconium cones. 

$225k a pair...Interesting design, rear ports and style. 

If what I'm reading is correct there is a new series at Germany for approx the same price point as the X series (the X1 was just released at Axpona) .The new C3 just released in Germany I believe is targeted as the replacement of the X6 for a tad more money ..Who the hell knows  I can't keep up with it.,it changes so quickly......that's my point!

@uncledemp 

No kidding!!  

I think they look and sound great OP!  Congratulations ...

It sounds like there will be some good deals to be had on the older models. I attended the Next Level Hifi event they had earlier this year. I swear at that show which was the first place you could hear or see them we were told $5500 with stands. Now it looks like they are $7500 with stands. I think Jays Audio who was filming it even says it on camera. I think we should hold onto our money till next Axpona and see what happens. I’ve heard certain manufacturers say they raise prices because they could. Some even call it the Corona Tax. Watch the used stuff on AGon and other sites right now. People are dumping gear like crazy. It will really ramp up in a three to six months. If you see something used you like at a good price then buy it. They are going fast. Otherwise you will have to wait. Same thing for your house. If you are thinking about transferring to another state or downsizing then sell your house now while the prices are high, move into a rental for a year, then buy what you want at a lower interest rate than now. Bottom line is be careful and plan ahead. I did just miss out on two killer deals because I waited a couple days. People are selling off their second or third systems. Great deals to be had. 

I think the X1 was 5500 plus 1000 for the stands(all in at 6500?)at Nextlevel that night but I agree with hsounds..I love Borresen designs,Ive owned the Raidho C3 which were 40k when i bought them and the Scansonic 3.5 and 2.5 which even to this day I think the 2.5 is or was an amazing deal....So again not hearing the X3 yet im sure its a good speaker ,you just cant buy any Borresen new full retail,thats a sucker game.Wait a year and score!!!!!

I sold some camera equipment plus got a great trade in deal for my Dynaudio Contor 20's.

So I actually only paid $2500 out of pocket for the X3's

@deep_333 I have an entire loom of Kabala Sausna realization!

6k will get you C2 level Ansuz Mainz. I bet that is what it is! It’s a decent cable for a DAC or streamer don’t get me wrong. 

You might of been better served moving up the Dynaudio line to the confidence series....I had the C4 for 4 or 5 years and when I sold them they were still current and I recouped most my money...

My dealer does not carry Dynaudio any longer...

But I think that I made a great decision in getting the X3's

Right on...what power are you using?

It sounds like you made a great decision, enjoy your new speakers!

"Opinions are like a-holes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks."

I am using a Moon 340ix

It’s definitely eye Candy. We’ll see how long this fad lasts

I might be getting new speakers and trying to get back to the more traditional way of listening to things Beyond all the chemically created new fabrications. It’s all about marketing and appearance and you don’t know what to Believe.

We all like pretty things to look at in our living room. sonus faber is a very pretty speaker and b&w is pretty. JBL was more conventional and is very nice. Wilson is ugly but I hear it’s very nice. Rockport is very nice looking but isn’t doing very well. focal might be nice but it’s kind of ugly. tekton might be good but the front appearance looks like a weapon of war. Estelon is a fashion statement and maybe it sounds good. Alta audio is very nice it looks like a good speaker. And McIntosh tries to do speakers who knows if these are worthwhile but definitely pricey.

Crazy crazy process to make a decision

I’m sure the Borresens sound great but the whole R&D and advancements notion is mostly false. The marketing people would like us consumers to believe that’s the case but in reality there exist 30+ year old speaker models that would compete with nearly any speaker in the X3’s price range. Speaker tech has long been more mature than most audiophiles realize. The difference these days is the number of different models that compete at the top echelon, and some at a relatively lower price when adjusting for inflation.

It’s not unlike how tech has progressed in cars. For example, self-parking cars have actually been around since 2003, but they didn’t become relatively common until a couple years ago. Similarly, ultra high fidelity drivers have existed for decades, it’s only that these days they are easier and cheaper to manufacture. 

@emergingsoul 

What do you mean Rockport isn’t doing very well? 

@ronboco 

I looked at rockports and a couple dealers said they were disappointed with sales. 

 I'm not gonna buy the very high-end rockport and the lower end models are not that spectacular.

@emergingsoul 

Thanks for the reply. I have the Avior ii and it is an amazing speaker!  At least to my ears. 
 

Happy listening ! 

What do you mean Rockport isn’t doing very well? 

Scroll to about 12:50 on this video. It would explain why Rockport isn't doing so well.

Yes people like finishes on their speakers. I wish there would be more focus on what goes on inside the speakers but that's a mystery area. All those crossovers and electronica stuff going on back there, no one knows what goes on.  That's really important stuff.  Out of sight out of mind.  

@emergingsoul people from Borresen has said a lot about the components they use. You can find interviews with them on YouTube. Maybe people on Agon is more focused on resale value than sound or internal components. 

I have only heard the O5 model but that was goid. Also out of my budget even for a used pair.

I’ve been looking at X3 reviews on YT which of course are great and listening to them insofar as you can in these videos. The one thing that strikes me, in the Borresen ones, why do they insist on using unfamiliar, highly processed synth music- makes it even more impossible to gauge the sound. Who knows what this music should sound like.

That said, I would still like to hear them in person, and will this Fall. I’m moving and would like to update my speakers- B&W 801 S2 Mk III that I bought new 25 yrs ago. Powered by McIntosh and Krell.

I know its diminishing returns, but aesthetics and engineering aside, can I really much of an improvement in dynamics, clarity and sound stage?

As example, I just bought a new DAC. It definitively sounds different, but I can’t say its better that the old one.

I’m not a borresen owner or dealer, but I’ve heard the X3 speakers a couple times, and I was absolutely blown away by them each time.  And that’s saying a lot for me, an old audiophile who’s heard more than his share of great speakers over the years. I must say---I agree wholeheartedly!!!  Over the last few years, Borresen has been just knocking the ball out of the park all over the place, especially with their simply amazingly affordable and super high value X3 speakers. So much so, to my ears, the combo of the X3 speakers, even driven by one of their entry level, all-in-one integrated amps, sounds so incredibly compelling, they could very well and quite easily be quite enough for a many a discriminating audiophiles.  Just one mans opinion.  Yes, I was extremely impressed.  Happy listening.

So the answer for me is always buying the obsolete series just expired and wait to upgrade the release then you can consider buying the next obsolete version staying one gen behind. An upgrade route for 40-60% less than the MSRP…

No, the answer is to buy something great and just be satisfied with it for many years and stop chasing the next shinny penny that's just around to corner.  Happy listening.   

05-17-2024 at 08:51am

@helomech says

"I’m sure the Borresens sound great but the whole R&D and advancements notion is mostly false. The marketing people would like us consumers to believe that’s the case but in reality there exist 30+ year old speaker models that would compete with nearly any speaker in the X3’s price range. Speaker tech has long been more mature than most audiophiles realize. The difference these days is the number of different models that compete at the top echelon, and some at a relatively lower price when adjusting for inflation.

Say What ? 30 yr. old speakers sound as good as any $11K speaker today...That’s quite a statement.....It’s too early in the day to be drinkin’......

I bought the Borresen 03's a year ago.  Phenomenal speaker.  I've never heard such a deep or detailed soundstage.

Now that they have two whole speaker lines slotted above the 0 line, however, I have to say I am a little less excited about my purchase.  I never had that issue, especially so quickly, with Vandersteens, which I owned for many years.  Kind of a bummer. 

marined....My point exactly...but the fun has just begun,wait till you try to sell them!