OMG Moment

I had spent two days detailing my wife’s new car and just came back from the dog taking me out for a long walk. Wife was out, so I finally had some time to listen to an album that Juan @blisshifi had recommended. I never rest during daylight hours, but as I played Isolde Lasoen’s album “Oh Dear” I was half out. I’ve got a six foot couch as a listening area and slumped down and tilted my head back, closed my eyes and “Douce Melancolie” completely transformed. The soundstage width, depth and height went crazy. It was the most amazing, life like sound that I had ever heard on my system, or any system that I can remember. The whole 180 degrees of the room was filled with music without loss of localization. The speakers usually/mostly disappear with many albums, but they were completely gone. I don’t understand any of this, but I’m just going with it.  I suspect that I just discovered that the Wilson Sabrina X has a very critical vertical dispersion pattern.  I would never have expected this and can imagine someone saving lots of money by changing their vertical seating position.


Wow, I hope that system can give you a repeat performance on demand.

Not sure what your wife offers for a 2 day detail job but she's going to have to work to make you happier than Sabrina has.


@vonhelmholtz That album is also quite psychadelic with the soundstage, which is why I shared it. :)

But slumping down so your head is on the couch will, yes, result in changes in the dispersion, but also potentially introduce reflections coming from the couch to your ears. This is especially true if your couch is made of leather.

Happy to hear of the discovery, though and hope you can adjust your speakers or listening position to deliver that level of performance consistently!

It is true that there might be some reflections off the couch, but my ears are still above the back of the couch.. barely.  The results seem to be consistent when the recording allows.  Pretty sure if I put isolation stands under the speakers that the added height would help.  These speakers are not very high.

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This is true, the Sabrina’s tweeter is fairly low, as was my Yvette’s when I owned Wilsons. I believe in the manual Wilson provides some guidance on setting tweeter height by adjusting the spikes, but that may change how the whole speaker sounds all the way down to bass response in the room.

If you’re using stock spikes, definitely consider trying some isolation solutions regardless just to minimize resonance in the speakers and improve imaging. I’ve used Isoacoustics Gaia footers which tend to raise the total height of the speakers by 1-3” compared to the spikes any speaker may have had prior. That might be just enough to make the difference you are seeking vs full out isolation platforms.

Yeah, listening to it right now. Clean. Spacious. Fun! But with my set up, for better or worse slumping down only makes maybe a five percent difference. A tad more width but that's about it.

Bartender, I'll have what he's having, and keep them coming.
Congrats on your epiphany. 

All the best,

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Can’t you adjust the speaker rake by redialing the rear spikes to be shorter and the fronts higher?  Then you can sit up with whatever posture is most comfortable and have the same OMG, no?  

I think it may also be the couch acoustics helped.  Maybe you need more dampening behind your listening area?


By "listening area" I meant your couch.  You should examine how reflective the area behind you is when you are seated.

OK, have 5 feet behind the couch and then a wall of records.  So, probably somewhat reflective , but surface is irregular given that I don’t make sure that all records align with each other.

OP: I think your experiment speaks for itself. :)  Try sitting up normally with pillows behind your head. 

I have the reverse issue in my room.  My couch is deep and slouchy.  When my head is 2 feet lower my bass gets a little muddy on some recordings.

Sit up tall and its crisp and clean.  

I have started toying with raising the back of the speaker to angle them down a bit.  And I have extra pillows under my listening position.

But the 2 foot difference is very substantial.

I was one of a group of about 6 who regularly gathered at a friend's home to listen to his exceptionally good system in a room specifically designed for audio listening.  One evening we found his system to sound less than ordinary.  We realized that he'd purchased a new couch and deduced that it must be the culprit.  We carried the couch out into an adjacent hallway and his system sounded "Golden" again !  I haven't ever had an experience like that since.

I guess that when members post that “everything matters” it means that literally everything matters

It really does. Hearing, particularly with trained listening skills and it is amazing how sensitive they can be. Over the last fifty years, I was shocked to find how subtle vibration control, wires, power cords… etc, can make a difference. 

@blisshifi ​​​​@vonhelmholtz thanks for the album recommendation! Good stuff, especially that “Douce Melancolie” track. 

@vonhelmholtz I have noticed the same effect with my Sabrinas (original). When I tilt my head back more, the soundstage literally wraps around. I was actually considering ordering one of those Eames chair replicas from Amazon as it looks like it’s lower than the chair I’m currently using and appears to have a more reclined seating position. May be worth looking into. 

Perhaps the OPs torso and/or neck is longer than average and not included within Wilson's engineered dispersion pattern :)

I would say the smaller Wilson speakers do image quite low. I am fairly short and have a low height listening chair, so while the Wilson Yvette imaged well, vocalists still seemed they were sitting. The speakers I’ve had prior (Legacy Aeris) and after (Scansonic MB-6B, Borresen Z3, Borresen 02) all portray a might taller and more natural soundstage height.The Z3 and 02 are both smaller than the Yvette as well, but Wilson tends to point their tweeters down to blend with the mids as a point source, so that may be why. 

@blisshifi really? in my room the Sabrinas throw an image at around 6ft height for the vocals. I’ve never had a problem with them imagining low. 


Nice listening room & equipment.  I’ve yet to do so, but I’m guessing that lowering the rear spikes will help to positively modify the sound in my room.

I went back to look at some Sabrina X reviews and came upon this one:

Part-Time Audiophile Review of Sabrina X

First thing that I noticed was the level of difficulty of setting-up these speakers.

Lastly, at the very end of the article there is a picture from the listeners point of view, looking back at the speakers and guess what…. Yup, the listeners is slumped down in his chair in exactly the same fashion as myself.  The only difference is that I don’t have a cat.


@audphile1 Maybe that’s one improvement with the Sabrinas. If you look at the design of some of the higher up models, the tweeters are angled downwards. It doesn’t seem to be the case with the Sabrinas. I might have gotten 6ft on some tracks, but it’s not the same as many of my other speakers which image higher as if they were on some sort of elevated stage, even just a few feet up. The difference in the soundstage size was easily notable even upon auditioning the Wilson Yvette in multiple rooms. I thought it would be something I could live with, but ultimately I missed the grander presence other speakers brought. 

@vonhelmholtz thanks for the compliment!!! Your room looks amazing! Love that turntable!

@blisshifi definitely possible. But I consistently have a tall soundstage in my room. I’m working to improve the acoustics so hopefully I won’t mess it all up.