Fritz makes great speakers, but so does EP.
I think you are having a room issue.
I think you are having a room issue.
Towers vs stand mounts with dedicated stereo subs?
I'm looking to change up the front end of my audio set up once again. From what I've put together in the past, it seems that I've gotten the best sound out of bi-amped speakers as opposed to towers. So I'm looking to build off of that and want to make sure I'm not missing something major. My room is about 13x28 with very low ceilings. It's an odd 2nd floor/attic space. 6.5' at the center.
I'll attach a link to my last set of speakers FS for a view of the room if you are interested.
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=163796.msg1741364#msg1741364
I had Tekton Double Impacts in here at the same time I had the speakers in the link (GR Research) and the bass (in my room) was awful compared to the beautiful bass that I got out of my open baffle servo subs. My plan was to build new subs and put Tekton Impact monitors on top of them as I really loved the top end of the Tektons. The tone was right and they Imaged for me quite well in this less then ideal room. I already have the amps and woofers to build my new subs. This time sealed and one woofer FWIW.
I guess my main concern is that the Impact monitor might still sound bloated in my room, as I haven't actually heard one. So I'm looking at other monitors now.
Fritz carbon 7
Studio Electric M4
Trenner & Friedl Art
Nola Boxer
Proac Response
Voxativ Hagen
Basically sub $3K monitors with 6" or 7" drivers.
I think I'm looking for a monitor that doesnt need to play low as I'll be using the powered subs for that.
Does that sound right? I'm not missing anything by using separates instead of a tower and subs am I?
Any idea if I'm on the right path for speaker choice or what I'm supposed to be looking for to know if said speaker meets my needs?
My main music genre would be classic rock and maybe some hard rock now and then. A little jazz but plenty of female vocalists. No need to be able to do classical or EDM stuff. I like a neutral to warm presentation.
Current pre is Rogue Audio Magnum Ninety-Nine and amp is Decware Tori. 25w X2 but I'm not married to it if I need more power.
My current speakers are Emerald Physics 4.7s https://www.emeraldphysics.com/products/ep-47
I got them just because I needed something and really wanted to hear them in here.
I'll attach a link to my last set of speakers FS for a view of the room if you are interested.
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=163796.msg1741364#msg1741364
I had Tekton Double Impacts in here at the same time I had the speakers in the link (GR Research) and the bass (in my room) was awful compared to the beautiful bass that I got out of my open baffle servo subs. My plan was to build new subs and put Tekton Impact monitors on top of them as I really loved the top end of the Tektons. The tone was right and they Imaged for me quite well in this less then ideal room. I already have the amps and woofers to build my new subs. This time sealed and one woofer FWIW.
I guess my main concern is that the Impact monitor might still sound bloated in my room, as I haven't actually heard one. So I'm looking at other monitors now.
Fritz carbon 7
Studio Electric M4
Trenner & Friedl Art
Nola Boxer
Proac Response
Voxativ Hagen
Basically sub $3K monitors with 6" or 7" drivers.
I think I'm looking for a monitor that doesnt need to play low as I'll be using the powered subs for that.
Does that sound right? I'm not missing anything by using separates instead of a tower and subs am I?
Any idea if I'm on the right path for speaker choice or what I'm supposed to be looking for to know if said speaker meets my needs?
My main music genre would be classic rock and maybe some hard rock now and then. A little jazz but plenty of female vocalists. No need to be able to do classical or EDM stuff. I like a neutral to warm presentation.
Current pre is Rogue Audio Magnum Ninety-Nine and amp is Decware Tori. 25w X2 but I'm not married to it if I need more power.
My current speakers are Emerald Physics 4.7s https://www.emeraldphysics.com/products/ep-47
I got them just because I needed something and really wanted to hear them in here.
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Erik- Why do you say I'm having a room issue? It's plenty likely, but why? My main question here is about the blending of speakers and whether a tower is as good or better then bi amped speakers. The bass on the Tekton was boomy, the bass on the OB servo GR was fantastic and the Bass on the EPs is fine. Thank you Mike |
thecarpathian or anyone really If you're going to suggest something like, You should look into XYZ, you'll be glad you did. A reason for doing so could go a long way. I do appreciate the help. But why? I'm trying to learn here. |
The reason is, for $1500 you get a wonderful sounding speaker that utilizes high quality drivers and an extremely inert bamboo cabinet. A seven year warranty and a 30 day return policy. The reason you are advised to "look into xyz" is that you will glean much more information about the speaker than can be covered here in a few sentences. And that, is why. Also, welcome to the forum! |
flavo with the dimensions of your room being practically exact doubles (6.5+6.5=13) (13+13=26) and 28 ft long you have some serious standing waves.The bass will never be optimal without room correction software and/or better room treatments.GIK will consult with you for free,check out their website.I have no experience with room correction devices but others here can help. Any speakers you choose may sound somewhat better or worse but never great until you work on your weakest link -the room.My two cents:-) |
Thank you guys. That is likely why, at least partially the bass with the servo subs was so much better. The amps have a lot of control. http://gr-research.com/a370peq.aspx I have some small traps in the corners you might have noticed but I'm sure I could use more. I also like the idea of separates because I can use DSP on the subs without potentially harming the midrange with it. |
Glad to hear about the Tektons, they are fast moving to the top of my list of speakers to hear, and maybe even upgrade to Moab or Ulf. I do not however think it a very good idea at all to put them on top of subs. You probably got this idea because so many are still stuck in the erroneous idea that bass needs timing, alignment, etc. Whatever. Wrong. Quite the opposite. What you want, especially in your room, is as many dissimilar bass sources as possible. For this reason it will actually be a lot better to run your stereo pair full range. This will give you more bass sources, allow you to run the subs at a lower level, and this in turn will allow you to tune them to a lower frequency. Together this should go a long way to improving the bass in your room. I know this idea runs counter to what most will say. Most who have never tried it, therefore have no idea. When you hear different advice, ask yourself if it is based on what they have actually done, or what they think is supposed to happen. I've actually built my own and know. |
Mike If your considering Fritz just call him he loves to talk and has multiple units already built that he might deal on and even let you listen to them for 30 days. I've got a pair of Carrera Be's in for audition and they are very promising. He also has a new version of the Carbon 7. Also if the open baffle bass works in your room have you considered Spatial's new X series with the powered bass units? |
Erik I am generally not a fan of them either based on my listens to Paradigm and Focal and I initially called him about the Carbon Mk II but after a couple of hours of discussion on two separate occasions he encouraged me to give it a try. This pair had a couple of hundred hours on it already when I received them. I gave them another 100 hours and then this afternoon put them in the Main system in place of the Verity Otello's and was quite impressed. No metallic sounds that I heard in about three hours of listening. I am going to give them another five days 24/7 back in the Office system before making a final decision. Was quit impressed with the bass output on several Ray Brown CD's as I left the twin Rythmik's off for this test. |
Hey Jack, I'm so glad you like them.:) Fritz knows his stuff, and I only heard his latest speakers in the Wyred4Sound room at THE show. And yes, the woofer in those speakers is amazing for the size, not to mention have a sweet as hell midrange. My current speakers use the same mid-woofers. Later, Erik |
I’m of the view that sats + subs is not optimal unless the monitors are also being crossed over before the amps (not just the subs). Otherwise, you’re not getting the full benefit of reducing load/distortion on your mains (they’re still being asked to move/do excursion below the sub XO frequency). In which case, given you said you have the room, I’d go for towers for more sensitivity, greater power handling, and more bass for the same footprint / outlay. One option I’d totally recommend is ATC SCM40A (active version!). You’ll get superb midrange, and they’re easy to place cause they’re sealed boxes. There’s also a bunch of technical reasons why active biamping is superior. They’re not cheap; but you could recoup that somewhat by no longer needing to passive bi-amp (i.e. sell your current amps; and no need for stands). A true 3-way like this will walk all over something like the Nola Boxer. I've heard the Boxers and like them, btw, just not the same class of speaker, and I'd go as far to say when you count the cost of a sub (or 2 subs), the cost of passive biamping, as well having, well, SPL limited 2-ways, you're not coming out ahead with small speakers at all. |