@mahgister Merry Christmas. Nice to hear from you. Can you share what ionizer you use? Happy New Year to everyone.
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I am going to crush some pink himalayan salt crystals into something much finer than a lamp, place the salt in a kerchief, roughly form it into a tube and wrap said tube around my vintage 10 gauge Western Electric speaker wires about 3-4 inches from the speaker ends and see what happens to the sound. The composition of this particular salt reminds one of the composition of audio ferrite cores albeit a much more diffuse presence of minerals and metals: That being said, Himalayan salts do contain a significantly greater number of minerals than your conventional, crystal white, sea or table salt. In fact, it is these minerals (including potassium, manganese, iron and zinc) which account for the salt’s distinctive off-white hue, with the exact colour depending on the exact proportion of certain trace minerals present in that specific sample.4
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Yeah, I have a couple of salt lamps but I wouldn't place them near my gear. They release salty moisture when not on. I leave mine on constantly and always use incandescent bulbs with them to keep them warm and dry. Never turn them off unless necessary. And wrap them in plastic or something similar if you have to. Especially if you live in a humid environment |
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*S* Good morning/afternoon/evening....it's hard to really tell time under artificial lights, salted or no... Thanks, mahgister...here I'd supposed a moniker from a Celtic warlord or the like....but I like my concept better than your reality, and feel free to share it..*g* ...and your anglish is Fine....helps the misconcept....;) Y'know....the "....Oh, lack a lay! He's ded, this piece of meat...no runny no more. He does not see the little birds who used to poop on his head...they can't fly!" Seems salt lamps and other ironic ionic items have other memes to contend with...which is only fitting.... overt over shinking thit can lead to attacks of M-ID..... Multiple-Identity Disorder....we used to call it "The Waster"....:( Excessive audio diaspora, in terms of what one uses to listen and immerse one's precocious mental metallic fluids with random excerpts from selections from anywhere with anything from anywhere But the excerpts are from..... Pitifully....can drive one to keystroke the deranged drivel you've just labored to get to....Here.
No, I don't understand Any of the above, anymore that anyone else might. But, It was kinda entertaining, and beat this salt lick on my desk.... |
https://elektrosmog-info.voxo.eu/video/Panagopoulos-Chrousos-2019-STOTEN.pdf «Since metal shielding has lately been massively suggested and ap- Then we must be cautious....
But dont trust any doctors that will not believe you when you spoke about your symptoms and will fault you as deluded... Electro sensitivity is a recognized symptom not an hysterical claim ... Some doctors in the same way dare to claim that the negative after effects of the vaxx are in the "head" of the patient and not real ... Using the word psycho-somatic here to degrade a real problem as a fictitious one , like some objectivist audiophile use the word placebo to degrade subjectivist audiophiles impressions only reflect ignorance of these deep concepts meanings most of the times .. Put shungite plates in front of your house main router ...
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S221478531831945X
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9657770/
I think this is enough references for convincing you about shungite properties in shielding EMI ...
When used in audio it can compress too much the soundfield... I use it with quartz to balance and finetune the effect for a better soundfield...
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"Some scientists and clinicians acknowledge the phenomenon of hypersensitivity to EMR resulting from common exposures such as wireless systems and electrical devices in the home or workplace; others suggest that electromagnetic hypersensitivity (EHS) is psychosomatic or fictitious."
Wonder what cables are good for EHS?
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I understand... You seem electro sensitive person... Probably with an unrecognized or recognized intuitive ability ... 😊 Merry Christmas to you and to your family ... 🎄
My alias Mahgister means : m.A.h= milli amperes /hour and "gister" in dutch means= yesterday ... All together they suggest magister the latin word for teacher ... Then dont forget the letter "h" ... all together this means : my battery bank taught me something .... 😊😉 Each name means on many levels...Truth is dispersed in many names , learning to read is learning to pray and think .... Numbers lives without any name , save a temporary one, because they all lives in the name of God , as tones together in the same melody and rythm ......
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magister: I was kidding about the sore tongue (my inner chef/freak would want to lick the lamp), but not about the SG. I purchased the SG back when they were first mentioned here (perhaps by you) and it's a cheap, maybe $12, rechargeable unit from China. Oddly enough I've felt ill the few times I've been in an operating TV studio (2X in my early teens and 2X in my 30's) while no one else seemed to be affected.
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Generally the S.G. dont affect people negatively, but we are all different , and as in alimentation , there is not a regimen exactly the same for all ... I had many working "on" all day for years with no problem except a better relaxation which can be for sure a placebo effect ... For the soundfield i excluded just a mere -placebo effect because i made blind test experiments with all "on" ( maximal aural atmosphere around tones), half "on" (decreasing aural effects) and all "off" ( no aural effects) .. I had 12 low cost chinese one with battery, or power supply or usb , distributed all around the audio system and my listening position and connected to many wall plugs near and far from the gear ... I like experiments more than upgrade purchases ... 😊 If you google your problem with sore toungue on the internet , you will see it is an idyosincrasic problem of you and very fee people ... How many people own salt lamps and repot only positive effect ? Almost all ...
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"Schumann generator are not placebo at all, it is way more audible than atmosphere ionization ..." I fell asleep next to the SG I purchased and woke up with an upset stomach (I rarely have them - not even once a year). Following this I experienced the same if it was left on for more than 20-30 minutes. It definitely affects my stomach, but it's difficult to judge sonics while experiencing a stomach ache. Has anyone experienced ill effects with the salt lamp - sore tongue?
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it is also my experience compared to passive salt lamp ( the audible difference here can be a placebo i cannot know) ... And Schumann generators are more audible than ion generator ...Here i dont consider only mere placebo effect at all and in the case of ion generator either .....
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You are right about his posting mantra about double blind test... But he posted some few interesting useful posts about the BACCH system then he can be very useful... I just try to be fair ...And it is better to be welcoming to all than exclusive... merry christmas to you coralkong 🎄
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@scottwheel , 99% of your posts are complete garbage. Sure, you're free to post here, but imo, the damage is done, and your posts are pretty generally ignored, except by the few that continue to put up with your sealioning. Get a life.
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Hey thank you so much @mahgister I appreciate that. I lurk here and mostly always feel out of my depth to comment, but I sure do learn a ton. I am mostly always open minded, but not always always! I just don't want to see people blow a ton of money without knowing ALL of the truth (if that's possible). Merry Christmas and Seasons best to you and yours too! |
No problem! I lived with someone for a few years in Santa Fe that is from the 'new age alternate health care' universe, and frankly it was maddening to feel like I was constantly being gaslit and bullshitted about things like this. Having said that: I love salt lamps, and I think they look amazing, and are a perfect gizmo to both lighten dark areas of your room, and they can add ballast. I have one (Like A British Audiophile) on my subwoofer which is black. It normally looks like a light sucking black box in a corner, and the salt lamp lightens things up, make a nice accent, and it weights the subwoofer stabilizing it better. |
@amtprod thanks for sharing both your opinions and the video. |
@curiousjim that was my question in my original post after finding this on WBF. Yet to find any real answers other than snark and cynicism. A couple of people have made real contributions to this post. |
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Now what is the Bayesian model of the brain ? This will help those who dont know about placebo effects and use the term to insult others as "tin foil hat" invective to be educated before insulting... Perception is not a passive business, not only it can be trained but it can be untrained by beliefs and by lack of conscious experiments... Perception created in part what is perceived as "music" or meaningful sounds as "speech " ...it is why psycho-acoustic studies of speech perception are so important and deep ... Goethe and Leonardo da Vinci already described implicitly by their concrete discoveries in many fields how the Bayesian brain work by what Goethe called the active imaginative and prospecting and predictive perception, Goethe called it "gentle empiricism" in contrast to "analytical empiricism"... This method of prospection and prediction is anticipated also as well by Archimedes Method in mathematical physics and observation of natural phenomena as well as by Charles Sanders Peirce the greatest American philosopher among many other geniuses as the Russian Vladimir Vernadsky .. .. https://goethe-lexicon.pitt.edu/GL/article/view/59 it is why the Bayesian Brain live not PASSIVELY in a Fourier abstracted linear set of maps but ACTIVELY in his own territory in a non linear way and in his own time domain , beating the Fourier uncertainty threshold of frequencies and time ...This is why we can ask for more ecological theory of hearing , and auditory scene analysis ... I dont expect those who insult others as "tin foil hat" without being able to think by themselves to understand real scientific litterature, as my years with students confirm me about this impossible task , but there is many wise people here .. I post this for them ...
read this : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6319577/ To go further deep in the Bayesian model of the brain i suggest Karl Friston articles or youtube interviews... Very deep...
«1. IntroductionThe standard and ideal biomedical model of symptom perception treats the brain largely as a passive stimulus-driven organ. It embraces the notion that the brain absorbs sensory signals from the body and converts them, directly, into conscious experience. Accordingly, biomedicine operates under the assumption that symptoms are the direct consequences of physiological dysfunction and improvement is the direct consequence of the restoration of bodily function. Despite its success, the biomedical model has failed to provide an adequate account of 2 well-demonstrated phenomena in medicine: (1) the experience of symptoms without pathophysiological disruption, and (2) the experience of relief after the administration of placebo treatments. This topical review advances the idea that “predictive processing,” a Bayesian approach to perception that is rapidly taking hold in neuroscience, significantly helps accommodating these 2 phenomena. It expands on recent high-quality empirical work on predictive processing1,7,19,24 and outlines, more broadly, how Bayesian models offer an altogether different picture of how the brain perceives symptoms and relief.
CONCLUSION: Symptoms without a physical cause and relief through placebo intervention are anomalies for the biomedical model of disease. The Bayesian approach to perception explains and accommodates these 2 phenomena. It exposes placebo and nocebo effects, not as aberrant events, but as facets of the overall modus operandi of the nervous system. It shows, also, that these act on the same inferential processes as “real” disease and “real” treatments do. The implication of this approach is that, to be truly patient-focused, medicine must attend to the predictive process that lies at the basis of symptom perception, and thereupon evaluate what efficient courses of action can lead the brain to predict the body’s health.» |
Yes you are right and i check them before buying ... Anyway in my new room i did not have many , my experiments are terminated ... I only use one with medical grade level approved by Pasteur institute in France ..😊 By the way as i said ionization was for me just an experiment , not an audio upgrade .. It is very less audible , most people will not perceive any benefit ... Schumann generators as i said above , it is another more audible story ... I kept them ...The salt lamp is also almost no audible for most... The effect is even lost for me after the first observation... I kept it because it is relaxingly beautiful and help the "Bayesian" brain to perceive in the best possible environment ..... I only spoke about all that for fun experiments .. But i thank you , you are right about ozone and it is better to advise people here ... Then thanks a lot and merry christmas to you...🎄
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@mahgister You mention the use of an ionizer in your room. I hope you have purchased one that specifically does not produce any Ozone. There are many warnings about the potential health hazards of breathing ozone. Ionizers are not regulated in the US and many of them should not be on the market for home use. Well worth looking into it. IMHO. Season's greeting. |
Well said...😊 But my "anglish" is too bad to debate those who insult instead of thinking instead of something nice and funny to say ... Then you can relax my friend ...
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...anyone who thinks they can own real estate in my head ought to more involved into investing in lake bottom property.....although ocean front in FL might be a more sure bet in the short run...😏 @roadcykler...Oh, you’ve just stepped into the shallows (unless you’ve spent more lurk time at the edges of the frayed frolics found ’round this about)....pause and stand by.,,, ;) (As a fan of obtuse obfuscation of a literary lines, I can foresee intense duels with the anguished ’anglish’ yet to pursued, pommeled into vacuous value...) "Oh, what fun....let the play begin....let’s wrought an ending to this dubious delineation of doubtful devious debate..." ...or something like that...🤷♂️*G* |