Wife Acceptance Factor

Women? do you mean the givers of pleasure & pain?

Snofun3, that's just a famous line where I work. I'm not divorced, I can't afford it. :-)

I can dream, can't I?

John

Stop pretending your Mr. wonderful and let her know that your NUT'S right from the begining. It's only fair, for the both of you. Audio is great, your home with her, alot of women would love to be so lucky.

THIS IS A GREAT POST!!
There is nothing I like better than "misery loves company" types of issues. Firecracker, mark my words; There will come a day when compromise will be the topic and the wife will question your sense of reality regarding your audio sickness. I had 14 years of bliss never having to discuss a purchase or look for approval when purchasing that $10,000 amp...then came the kids! Now it's a different world (as it should be) and the questions, dis-approving looks and the dreaded, "what in the he!! do you need THAT for?" is common place.
My suggestion is, ride the wave as long as possible while working your butt off to get a better job to justify the expense of new equipment and a new house with a room dedicated to your system.
Much of this is "tongue in cheek" but there WILL be questions eventually...be prepared ahead of time!

This poster is married!

McGrogan - You got away for $100grand. Consider yourself lucky. Plus I pay over $2k / month for the kids alone, not counting all the stuff I buy for them out of my pocket - Firecracker - see what I said before - get a dog (they're smarter and better looking than teenage boys anyways).

Why is divorce so expensive? Because it's worth it.

It's real easy to tell which of you posters are not married.

Snofun3 summed it real good.

LOL - Love is grand, divorce is 100 grand.

Sounds like a lot of you guys made some bad choices for your life partners. If you choose wisely you don't have a reason to become cynical.

You're right! I blame that on drugs and alcohol. When I came out of my drunken stupor Animal House days, I was married. All you kids out there, let that be a lesson to ya. Just say no to drugs, alcohol and marriage.

The wise choice is to realize that all things in life are temporary. People change, situations change. That's why I recommend to my three sons " Lease, don't buy!". There are no life partners anymore, only current partners.

Love is grand, divorce is 100 grand.

John

Highfivesign
Could not have sed it better my self.

Sounds like a lot of you guys made some bad choices for your life partners. If you choose wisely you don't have a reason to become cynical.

Sure she’s accepting now, but unless you have a very unique model, stand by for a surprise incoming message in about 6.5 months. My #2 is of the unique persuasion, but that was a requirement after lessons learned from #1.

Here’s how I arranged things to keep the peace and my toys –
1) Floor # 1 is mine. Floor #2 is hers. I don’t comment on hers, she leaves mine alone.
2) I make and spend my money, she makes and spends hers.
3) The house is mine. I pay all costs except utilities which she pays 1/3 of.
4) We negotiate vacations. I’m a ski freak. If I want her along I pay. If I don’t, I don’t.
She likes warm weather – there’s a (small) joint account to cover that.
5) The kids and their associated expenses are mine (they're from wife #1). They’re boys, so when they see new stuff they say “Coooool” which makes me feel good.

More suggestions –
1)When you go looking for a house, find one where you can have your MAN room, and can put your MANLY audio system. Make sure it has a lockable door.
2)Make sure it has a door direct to the outside you can smuggle stuff in without parading it past her. Trying to be discrete with a large pair of speakers is difficult.
3)Never try to explain how cables can cost $100 - $500 - $1,200 – hopeless.
4)If she catches you on the computer when you’re supposed to be paying attention to something else, make sure it’s a porn site and not Agon, or else she’ll figure you’re a jerk and wasting your time with “that stuff” again.
5)Make your deal up front - get it in writing if possible.
6)Check the Agon threads. There was one about “best excuses” a couple of months ago that you need to read and memorize.
7) Don't have kids - they muck up your audio system and make the price of cables look cheap. Get a dog instead - now you know why your MAN room has a door.
Best of Luck

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Buy now, Pay later

Try to integrate some HT stuff in your system, and tell her that it's also Home Theater for her.

Watch some movies together.

It'll work out nicely.

Thanks Hooper & Rwwear.

I have two things which come into play:
1)Include her in your purchases; ask her opinion about how things sound (try not to ask about how they look), audio should be enjoyment for both of you.
2)Audio purchases are (for me) a trade-off. If she approves of a purchase for you, don't object if she asks you about some purchase she's considering.
One last thing: "Hi honey, look what I just bought (without talking to you about it first)is NOT a good way to start a conversation.

Be a man.

If you are getting married, you better believe that WAF will play a central role in determining your audio purchases. What does WAF usually mean: For most, it determines how much money you get to spend. The key here is to search out the best deal you can find, and then you relate to your spouse that you are actually saving money. You could also try to fudge the true amount that you actually payed for the gear to avoid the " You payed what for that." Also, it determines what the equipment looks like and where it is to be placed. As others have mentioned, WAF does not care that your speakers will sound better where you want to place them, WAF states that you will place them here and like it mister. It also will determine for most the way the equipment looks, especially speakers. If you are lucky enough to have floorstanders, WAF will at the very least tell you what kind she will put up with. Even though you love speaker x, WAF will say " that is never coming into my house." MAny of us have to keep all, and I mean all of our equipment in an armoire. In order to get to place something like a sub or more important, speakers outside this infernal cabinet, we must be willing to sell ourselves into slavery to our wives. Read, you can get approved floorstanders, when you do ETC...... But be of good cheer, having a wife involves committment, and if you are also committed to audio, you will find creative ways to slip your audio acquisitions past the WAF net.

We need to make a pair of puke green klipschorns, put them in your house for one month then let you see if your wife will let you get those new speakers!!

I agree that the whole WAF thing should be sorted out before you're married. Both parties should be totally honest with each other, and the audiophile in the relationship should be totally honest about how much he/she invests in the hobby and how important it is to him/her. If the other party finds it unacceptable, then, well, things will only get worse with marriage, IMO. Fortunately for me, my wife is totally accepting of the shitload of money I invest in the hobby, as long as it doesn't put us into financial jeopardy--which it hasn't . . . so far. But it helped that I was honest with her when we started dating about how much I put into the hobby. She wondered about my sanity at times, but was ultimately OK with it.

This stufff with WAF is stupid, it should be sorted out before you marry.
As stated above, if you have the $$ to cover the bills or whatever, so be it.

How about something like a HAF ??

Try this: a friend went home and plunked down the Harley Davidson catalog with some super chromed and piped motorbike and announced to his wife "I'm having a mid-life crisis.....it's the Harley or another woman.....CHOOSE."

FINE PRINT:
In the fairness of full disclosure, they bought a SUV and there was no other woman. The Harley is parked on my friend's office wall where it can be still seen today.

Got the point?

Trust me I work in the business the WAF is very real.
I don't know how many nu*less guys I have run across.
It is funny how they let ther wifes run there lives,
they tell me they want hi end sound but only can have bose size speakers then I laugh & tell the it will never happen.
The I have to explain to them why you can't get good sound through small speakers. (I must deprogram them from the bose commercials)I don't understand why they just don't tell there wifes to shut it, it's my money, & I will buy what I want!
Seems to be the other way around. Sometimes though you get that wonderfull wife who likes the stuff & encourages them to buy what they want. I told my girlfrined that this is my hobby I will always do it & if you don't like it then either deal with it or leave because it was here before you & it will be here after you. IMHO
PS:
(I know, im not married so I have no idea what it's like, & I should just wait till im married then ill give in) NOT!!

There are 3 Rings in Marriage. The engagement Ring, The wedding Ring, and the Suffering.

Good advice given above and make sure your house has a room for a dedicated listening room..Good luck.

Chris

I'm blessed to have a wife who is not only accepting of my hobby, but sometimes actually encourages it. One night after putting in some very expensive ICs to demo, she listened and said "you can't take those back!" She's also "given" me what was a more formal, and sizeable, living room to dedicate to audio, including panels, traps etc. The only thing she inisists on is that I don't make her do critical listening or A/B testing with new gear. She wants to listen to music, not gear.

On the other hand, I try and seek her input on what she would like to see. She insisted that my last two sets of speakers be done in real rosewood and that my rack be relatively nice to look at. No problem, I like good looking gear too. Since she also likes to listen several times a week, I'm buying new furniture for the room that pleases her.

My advice is to make certain her basic needs are well taken care of first, and then try and engage her in the music end of the hobby. Find out what she really likes to listen to and build a catalog for her. Oh, and get a listening chair that's big enough for the two of you to snuggle up in. It's one of the best tweaks I know for enhancing the musical experience.

Funny thing at home last night. Had a discussion (I did not initiate this!) about some new jewelry that my wife just bought that day. The conversation was going well about how her new earrings would look with her new necklace and, for some reason, she said that I was not, in essence, enthusiastic enough. Groan. Well, says I, I really do appreciate the jewelry as I understand YOUR happiness and enthusiasm about what you like, just like I do with my audio. Well, that extracted one of those silent moments (felt like a week) with a look. “You aren’t really comparing your audio stuff to my jewelry, are you?”
It kind of went downhill from there. You know what I mean.
Sigh.

Ask her if she is willin to give jewerlry

My fiance was more accepting of my hobby than my wife is.
Get everything you dream of right now.
If it urks her now, and she forces you to choose between the stereo or her, obviously take the stereo, and chalk it up to lessons learned inexpensively.
Once you 'buy' (re: marry) her, it gets MUCH more expensive to have these differences. They know that, and take full advantage.

If she gets antsy tell her what sort of stuff other men get into. Let's see... first there are the golfers. Gone at the crack of dawn every Saturday & Sunday and back in time for dinner, leaving her to do all the chores and look after the kids... Then there are the drinkers. And how about the amateur stock car racers? And how could we forget the outdoor fanatics who disappear on two week fishing trips with their buddies a 2 or 3 times a year? Skirt chasers? Survivalists? Print up a list and put it up on the wall over your horn speakers!

Its Moonlight and pretzels the first year and then downhill the rest of the way. Spend Spend Spend NOW.

Fire as an old married man (27 yrs) WAF is part joke and part reality. It is a joke in that women often don't understand how sound is more important than looks or how the thing is in space. Now if you will have a dedicated listening room, then no problem. But if your system has to share communal living space then the speakers you buy better not be too big. Another thing is that my dear wife like many others when seeing a pair of speakers properly out into the room, you will get a look and a line like, "they're not staying there, are they"? They are also not tolerant of wires on the floor either or big amps between the speakers.

The money thing only comes up if your champagne ears don't match your beer budget and you have practicalities such as children to worry about.

Look! Get real! Ok?

It’s either tube rings or wedding rings.

You still have time to think about it.

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A friend of mine has an interesting solution. He is free to buy whatever he wants, as long as his hobby is self-supporting. He buys and sells antique radios, as well as hi-fi gear. So, but a lot of expensive gear now, so you have some trade bait after she puts her foot down. Invest wisely and have fun!

Some pre-emptive spending might be wise. Especially, if space or aesthetics are a factor for her.

As long as you make enough money, it shouldn't be a problem. Now, "enough" varies woman by woman.... Good luck. One thing for sure I have realized is that there is something far more important in life than audio.