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The vitriol heaped upon stevemj tells me, more than anything else,that,far from having the open minds they proclaim to have, some audiophiles around here are quite closed minded. If your minds are open to hearing musically important differences when "science" and "reason" say they should not exist (and I'm fully in that camp with you), then you must also keep an open mind to the possibility that other factors and influences may sometimes contribute to your conclusions. As I read what stevemj has written, that's all he is saying. That you be critical thinkers. Don't we all aspire to that? Why is it so threatening? -Dan

drubin, i hope yure not placing *me* in that category of close-minded audiophiles, cuz i fully agree w/yer definitions of open-mindedness. (but, yudging by the negative feedback i got from my prewious post, perhaps some folks *do* feel i'm a bit close-minded. oh well...). one of the reasons i like s'phile is, while they may have many faults, they do subjective reviewing w/extremely thorough measurements. i'm all *for* scientific inwestigation, it's yust that i won't dismiss out-of-hand something that has yet to be werified by measurements - isle use my ears & decide for myself.

however, regarding your assessment of stevemj, i must humbly beg to disagree. he seems to be close-minded to sonic improvements that cannot be scientifically werified. in fact, regarding coating cd's w/a green edge, he even disputes this when there *is* some scientific evidence supporting its efficacy! personally, i gave up coating my cd's edges w/green, as it made no difference to *my* ears. but i don't dispute those who say they hear a difference. who knows, mebbe isle give it another whirl today - it *is* st. paddy's day... ;~)

regards, doug s.

Drubin: I don't believe threatening has anything to do with Stevemj posts and certainly no one must keep an open mind, though it would be nice for all concerned. Unfortunately, labeling people as "weakminded" or one's actions "insanity" is usually enough to provoke an attack and is certainly forth coming if you have little foundation within your argument. Moreover, unfortunately most people who advocate the use of standard power cords, interconnects and cables usually have NEVER TRIED anything else and rely solely on their science theory to carry the day.

As I've said before, you've got to get up pretty early in the morning to pull the wool over the ears of the member of this site. Science theory and a buck will get you a bus ride across town, but it tends to play like a broken CD here, wearing the patience and stretching the tolerance of normally good natured, openly caring individuals. Certainly, I believe Stevemj and everyone else who contributes to this site has the best intentions. Just remember that the road to Radio Shack is paved with the good intentions of statistically correct Optimus gear. Thanks to all for your patience. -Jerie

Respectfully Drubin; go back and read Stevemj's thread on "Speaker Wire is it Science or Psychology?", posted 3/7/01. IMO it is pretty inflammatory right from the start. That's not the thread (and posts) of a person with an open mind, rather it is strongly espousing scientific dogma. He (Steve) asks us to explain our positions re selection of "wires" without using any technical terminology??? I agree with much of yours, Duggs, and Jerie's posts above. I want to have feet planted squarely in both the objective and subjective camps regarding "wires and music". Cheers. Craig.

It should be pointed out that science never 'proves' anything. Scientists do not seek the truth, but rather an accurate model. Scientific measurements do not prove or disprove, they only support or do not support the model.