Jazz for aficionados

O-10, thanks for your response. I don’t find your stance unique at all. However, I do find it to be rather narrow and, with all due respect, somewhat arrogant; sorry. I really mean no disrespect. I think I will invoke the title of that tune re this recurring debate: "So Tired". What I mean by my comments is simply that I don’t see the value in comparing two players or recordings of universally recognized greatness and very different styles, and trying to establish one as "better than another, by a mile". A pointless exercise, subjectivity and all. Horace Silver "better" than Bill Evans? Really? C"mon! It’s like saying a great orange is better than a great pear. I think the difference between our perspectives is that I feel no need to call one or the other "better". I like them both and appreciate their differences. I also listen to them both. Sometimes I am in the mood to listen to "Nica’s Dream" and sometimes I am in the mood to listen to "Nefertiti". Moreover, when I say arrogant, what I mean is that when brilliant musicians like those in your documentary tout the greatness of a recording such as KOB to refer to those comments as simply another example of the "absurd" things they say is simply,,,,, well, I’ll leave it to others to fill in the blank. From my vantage point, the more productive and positive attitude would be to respect those comments and to recognize that there is always much more to understand. Lastly, and most frustrating to me, is that no explanation or details are offered as to why your "better" players are better than the others. Now THAT would make for interesting discussion. I’m game; speaking of games. Fundamental difference in taste of jazz? I suppose. I don’t think I like "Nica’s Dream" any less than you do. But, I like "Nefertiti" and you don"t. Is it a matter of difference or a matter of scope? Noah was asked to build an arc and to bring two of everything. I think your arc is a little smaller than mine; that's all 😊 Regards.

Frogman, calling this better than that, amplifies the subjectivity of this music. "Better" is a bad choice of words. Although the difference between Bill Evans, and Bobby Timmons is as wide as the Pacific Ocean, "better" is a word that could be left out of the discussion.

Bobby Timmons music projects a philosophical, and sociological point of view, that is probably foreign to Bill Evans, and vice versa. The fact that both of these individuals can strike a piano key, and say more than a short story is incredible; however, just as frequency is all important, whenever music is sent and received by transmitter and receiver; so it is by musician and audience; they both have to be on the same wavelenth.


No one has sent messages that have encompassed the depth and volume of Bobby Timmons music. People who can neither read nor write, understand Bobby Timmons musical messages. Bill Evans music is beautiful and eloquent, and comparing the two is apples and oranges.

Those eloquent discussions in that documentary were an attempt to come to some "objective" conclusion in the "subjective" world of music. They would have had to include the music of "Charles Mingus" in order to bring it closer to the truth. " Fables Of Faubus" is every bit as dynamite, as the tune "Kind Of Blue"


                                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48eAYnfgrAo


As a matter of fact, the inclusion of "Mingus Ah Um Charles Mingus" would have made the discussion more objective, and less like a "Miles Davis fan club"





Enjoy the music.


           

O-10, I love both those bands, but if you forced me to choose the best group from that time period…..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaYQ-I0xQmA

You guys aren't exchanging salvos, you're exchanging Tomes!!

Keep'em coming. :)

Cheers

Acman, The very first record I wore out was "Clifford Brown, and Max Roach", he was my favorite drummer for ages.


Enjoy the music.