Zu Soul Superfly


I just ordered a pair of the new Zu speakers on a whim. I was going to wait for information, but the fact that they threw in the free superfly upgrades to the first 30 people got me.

From a similar thread it sounds like some of you guys have heard the speaker despite information only being released today. I'm wondering what you can share about it?

Also, I am really hoping it works with a Firstwatt F1 amplifier. Can anyone comment as to that? I know the Druid's and Essences worked OK.
gopher
>>... I don't believe many of us actually put the work in...I actually broke out the laser ...<<

Funny. I'm tearing down both of my Zu systems tonight as I'm having custom maple tables delivered for my gear, and the laser is on the coffee table in front of me, ready for its assigned task when I reinstall everything tomorrow.

Phil
Gopher: Good for you, and you are 100% correct, most people including audiophiles do not put in effort.

You can see this clearly here on audiogon. Lots of discussion over what is best $1000 interconnect, no discussion on fact that corner loaded left channel is 3-6db louder than wall loaded right channel. Much of "audiophile" should rename itself "gearfetish".

Phil: It seems you are dead set on setting up potential Soul owner for disappointment. I cannot dissuade you. There is no tone without proper alignment, it is dead. And I will not honor your "loud preamp" argument with response. If you want dead tone with the type of "dynamic" you get with loud pre-amp, and pay $3K+ for pleasure, then please do buy Soul, plops down, and pay flea watt tubes. Phil will appear and try to sell you more stuff.
Audiofeil: Thank you for injecting some reality into discussion!

Suppose you have high power SET with Zu? Like aleph 60? I would like to think problems I have heard with Zu & SET are the obviously inadequate W, not anything to do with topology of SET which I think will work well for speaker.
>>It seems you are dead set on setting up potential Soul owner for disappointment. I cannot dissuade you. There is no tone without proper alignment, it is dead. And I will not honor your "loud preamp" argument with response. If you want dead tone with the type of "dynamic" you get with loud pre-amp, and pay $3K+ for pleasure, then please do buy Soul, plops down, and pay flea watt tubes. Phil will appear and try to sell you more stuff.<<

In fact, no. You do not accurately represent my point of view nor what I wrote, and perhaps you haven't even read it thoroughly.

For you and I, tone can be dialed-in from where it starts with the speaker's and the system's intrinsic qualities. But a non-audiophile music lover can easily avoid what you refer to as "dead" sound or absence of tone. Alignment cannot create tone where it isn't intrinsically present. On the other hand, alignment can improve tone that is already intrinsic to the gear. It's just degrees. You and I might need more because we know it can be extracted. But we're not going to enlarge the community by insisting that everyone must be so precision-oriented to have fun with music via hi-fi. And certainly, that's not what Zu wishes to enforce. I want people to buy the right amp for any Zu FRD-based speaker so they have intrinsic tone, and then they can choose how far they want to go in system optimization themselves. You won't find me recommending endless incremental purchases to reach a goal.

I didn't recommend a "loud preamp." What I wrote explicitly is that some low-power SET amps (not all, and not always low powered) have lower-than-normal total voltage gain. If you pair a low gain preamp with a low-gain power amp, wherein the input sensitivity of the power amp will not allow it to be driven to full power from normal sources via said preamp, you will have more noise, less tone, and "dead" dynamic life. It's not a matter of having a "loud" preamp, but having one with neither too little nor too much gain. Too much gain presents its own problems, but if you don't have enough gain for a particular source to drive the amp to full power, you won't even get those full 2 or 3 watts.

Now, you haven't found me recommending flea-powered amps. Not once. I've written the opposite. 20 - 60 watts is the sweet spot. Although there is a strong argument for McIntosh MC501s or even MC1201s on 101db/w/m Zu speakers. The sense of complete lack of dynamic restriction from 500 - 1200w is sonically valuable if the rest of the amp is right. But, again, there is a group of people whose commitment to a tube (e.g. 45, 2a3, 50) is so firm that what they're really looking for is a speaker than can leverage their amp, rather than an amp that can leverage their speaker. I understand this. Gerritt at Zu loves the Yamamoto A-08 for reasons that satisfy him. There are many others. For that kind of listener, a Zu speaker will perform beautifully, and in fact if you are set on having only 2 watts, Soul Superfly will work better than anything Zu has built to-date.

People who like flea-power in amplification usually arrive there after having had more conventional amp topologies and power levels. So, they know what they are doing. I'm not concerned about the 2 watt crowd, because very few neophytes start their hi-fi evolution with 2w SET. Those that end up with flea power and like it, will be happy with Superfly. It's just not me. I use 25w 845 SET monoblocks on Definitions, and 25w PSET 300B monoblocks on Druids.

Phil
for you Zu guys---i just ordered a Triode 845SE integrated amp for my Definition 2s. It's a 20 watt SET driven by 845s, of course. Can report back on the sound---but the build quality at its price level seems impressive.

I also have a Mcintosh MA6600 that works very, very well with my Zus. I had a BAT integrated before, and the McIntosh is 100% better match for Zus. If you go SS, you need warm SS.

And i'm one of those silly guys with a treated room as well--- while Zus may work great in untreated rooms, the discerning audiophile who takes the effort and time to put simple treatments will be rewarded. The difference in clarity, imaging, bass definition, and detail was night and day in my room---i would estimate 70% of your sound is speaker/room interaction. There are things I wish I had done differently now-- but putting in a bass trap or two, treating first reflections, putting some bookshelves in the back of the room, and dealing with a lowish ceiling (in my case--boy i wish i had 10' ceilings) are extremely easy to do and well worth it, despite any kind of speaker design.

Cheers,

KeithR