Upgrading sub to get a live feel.


I currently have a set of JBL 4319 which has its history as 4310. They are studio monitors and as a result they sound like studio monitors you hear everything, but they lack the physical presence on the low end. They have wonderful mid range and voice presence. I also have a pair of SVS SB1000 to help with the low end. 

I want to eventually upgrade to JBL 4367 with upgraded pair of subs, for this reason, but in the mean time would a sub upgrade be considered before the speakers. 


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lol, this thread is way off topic now, but I got my subs so lets play.

I listen on average between 90-95db.

The PB-1000 is significantly larger in size than the SB-1000.

The room size is 16x30. The speakers are placed on the 16 side, and I sit about 11 feet away from the speakers. The SB are located right under the main,  6" from the wall.

The SB-1000 are set to about 65Hz to blend, zero phase, 60% volume. I’ve always found very clean and articulate bass at this current settings, and anytime I’ve made an adjustment, I’ve dialed it back to these.

First test just running one additional sub (3), placed on the left side besides my seat, set at 60Hz, played with gain to peak bass, and 60% volume. The biggest difference is an increased amount of headroom, the speakers felt slightly larger. It blends well in this position, but you can feel the physical bass being directional. That feeling makes you slightly detract from listening.

Second test, quad sub, placed along side seating position against the wall. Similar settings, but with 45% volume, because the wall gives it a boost. I get a nice spacial balance, but I could not get them to blend in this position. At those settings, I got a bit of harshness in the low regions.

I finish the evening with using one additional sub, as I got tired, and just wanted to listen to music.

I think I have to lower the crossover point when running dual tonight, and see how that goes. 


Have you tried a more asymmetrical positioning with the two extra subs. IOW place a couple behind your speakers along the front wall, then the other two should be place along the side walls, but not symmetrical, stagger them. I have also seen arrangements recommended where the subs are place along the front and back wall. I think someone may have linked to the article in this thread. You also have the challenge of setting the volume level of the subs optimally. There are better experts on this thread than I to advise on that. Keep playing with it though, you will eventually getting it dialed in.
I just checked the OP's posts and he hasn't mentioned the size of the room, unless I missed it, or someone else correctly guessed it in one of the many verbose other posts.  The cubic footage is crucial.  Also, the shape of the room ( L shape??), whether there are arched ceilings, carpeted vs laminate, etc, is all worth considering.

The OP's current speakers retail for $4000, and he's considering replacing them with $14000 speakers.  First of all, I am puzzled why either of his current subs, scraping the bottom of the budget barrel at around $500 each, would be considered a good match for the current speakers, let alone the possible upgrades.

Second, sealed subs generally have a different sound than ported subs, and are considered more musical than the ported designs.  As you go up the budget, ported designs get better, but at the $500 level, too many compromises occur.  And only 300 watts?  Yeah.


You'll think this sounds ridiculous,but it costs nothing to experiment.Turn the subs behind your listening position to face the wall.Clio is right about trying them in various positions.All four of mine are positioned facing the walls.It is a pain to fine tune the positions and crossovers  x 4.I worked on mine for a couple of hours at a time maybe every three days or so to keep myself from getting OCD over it:)