Seriously considering tube preamp…opinions?


Tube virgin, here. I am building a system and I'm trying to contain the preamp/amp cost to $3k or so. (I could go up a little.) 

I'm inclined not to dive into tubes all the way through, but get a solid state on the output end. (Open to suggestions; inclined toward PS Audio, Parasound.) I'm reading around about tube preamps and have talked with my local dealer, who sells Black Ice/Jolida and Prima Luna (PL). He used to carry Rogue but said they kept coming back for repairs. That's why he carries PL.

I'm asking these questions after having established (via reviews, comments) that Schiit gear is quite the value. Lately, I've been reading about Decware and other small tube makers. I'm very curious about buying direct, if possible, and a company that stands behind their products is crucial.

So, your opinions about tube integrated or *especially* tube preamps —

1. Who do you like? Consider I want to do pre/amp for a total of $3k if possible.

2. Do you think PL is worth all that money just for a preamp? I get the feeling they're high quality but a bit over-hyped. (No disrespect to the highly passionate Kevin Deal, but he's all over my search results.) And what would you think about $2k/$1k preamp-to-amp spending ratio?

3. Any sense of what happened to Jolida since the name change to "Black Ice"? I see there's a sordid story there but did the re-branding clear up the mess? Any experiences with the Black Ice company?

4. I know there are many Schiit fans out there; so my question would be -- did anyone consider Schiit for tube preamp and go another way? Or move beyond Schiit for any particular reason? It's hard not to just capitulate and do a Freya+ or Saga+ but why wouldn't one just go with Schiit?




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I have only one Schiit comparison: I went from using a Marantz 7C vintage tube preamp to the Freya (original model) and am very happy with the Schiit and think it's great (the Marantz was beautiful and the Freya is comparable). Switching tubes makes for fun fine-tuning, and if you find the tubes coloring something, you can switch to passive preamp mode to see (where you'll usually find the tubes are not coloring!). The newest Schiit addresses the issue of not needing to have the tubes on when in passive mode. The Freya also has balanced input and outputs as well as RCAs. Good luck!

@peterf6...Switching tubes makes for fun fine-tuning, and if you find the tubes coloring something, you can switch to passive preamp mode to see (where you’ll usually find the tubes are not coloring!)..

Hey peterf6, did your Schiit Freya come with new re-issue Tung Sol 6SN7s, and have you tried other tubes in your unit by chance?

Just for grins I’ve wanted to test a Freya with a variety of vintage and boutique 6SN7 tubes I was re-testing again last year in my own preamp. I’ve found a notable difference between various vintage and custom boutique tubes in my current preamp. Long term  6SN7 fan, regardless of rarity - so I just hoard them. :) Would be interesting to see how far a Freya sound could be changed or improved, or not at all.

Glad to see you mention Tekton. The Double Impact thread caught my attention 2 years ago and fortunately I was ready for new speakers and amplification given a bad class D experience. Quickly learned that sensitive speakers were the way to go for tubes and purchased the Direct order Tekton DI's unheard. Terry London is spot on in his reviews. 

+1 with Waltersalas on the 48W SET integrated LM508ia, used ~ $3k Nice thing is you can add a preamp and use the LM508 as a stand alone amp in the future via line in to squeeze the last bits of transparency and soundstaging. On that note, room treatments and dsp should be factored if your a room correction believer.
@tvad The speaker change was meant to open up options at commensurate or greater quality. I wasn’t trying to lower quality on the amp front! E.g., locally, I have choices between lower and higher powered QS, Rogue, Octave, Black Ice/Jolida, and more to audition. On the used or internet market, the options also now multiply. Many times, folks have posted amps which seemed great but made me wonder if my speakers would have enough power; other times, folks posted amps with enough power but with a price tag greater than pretty much my whole system budget. I was attempting to address those issues with the speaker change.