Biamping with a tube and SS combo


I was watching a youtube video by Paul @ PS Audio in which he was discussing the differences between bi-wiring and bi-amping. An interesting point he made was that some folks like to use a bi-amping configuration where a tube amp is driving the tweeters, whereas SS is managing the woofers. I've read a lot about tube pre's working in conjunction with SS amps, but never really thought about this particular combination. Sounds intriguing. So inquiring minds (and mine as well) want to learn a bit more from those who might have travelled down this road ...

How would you compare the bi-amping scenario I described above with the more common tube pre + SS amp combo? If you have compared both, which one sounded better to you?

If one were to go down this path, what aspects one has to keep in mind? E.g. things like impedance, gain settings, etc,

If you have one source only, which one do you connect it to? And subsequently, how do you connect the tube and SS (same as the pre/amp combo?) ?

I would love to hear from folks who have actually tried it, and not just throw a bunch of measurement graphs at us. Also, let's not turn this into a bi-amping vs bi-wiring comparison or tutorial. Thank you.


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"...I described above with the more common tube pre + SS amp combo? If you have compared both, which one sounded better to you?"..


Having tried all scenarios mentioned above, I’ll mention results can vary quite a bit when you start intermixing different type, brand, and power amplifier outputs. Getting attenuation right without introducing other components can be tricky. There is something to be said about selecting components originally designed and voiced to work together.

In my case, I locked in on a specific tube preamp I really liked (starting baseline), and then tried different amplifiers (Tube and SS) over several years. Also bi-amped the tube amp(s) for top-end and solid state on the bottom end as you described. After I was done screwing around too long, went back to two mono tube amps (same, brand, type, power) to drive each speaker individually. I liked the tube preamp and class A/AB ss stereo amp combo 2nd best.

Kiinda like asking what vehicle to buy, and more info is needed to understand how you plan to use it. It really depends on what you are really trying to accomplish and what starting gear you are working with for your SS amp, and go from there. A lot of people do use tube preamps to change the sound of how a SS amp sounds. Once they get a taste of what good "tube" sounds like, curiosity sets in further about tube amps... :).  Next a series of questions develops about what integrated tube amp they should buy.  Rinse and repeat.  Good Luck.  
Depending on where the crossover point is, there can still be quite a bit of midrange info coming through woofer, which I prefer to hear thru tubes.  I'm doing vertical bi-amping with two tube amps, but am using tubes that are adept at tighter deeper bass for the woofers, and different tubes with better mids and highs for the top end.  Then I run a powered SS subwoofer from 40hz down.  
I too have tried many of these configurations and have speakers with quite a bit of midrange information (even a crossover around 150hz goes really far up if its a first order slope).  Unfortunately, I always lost too much coherency for it to be worth it. The different amps muddied the woofer to midrange crossover and the music fell apart. *This was even true when the amps were identical and fed with the same (split) rca input.* Even with perfect gain matching and identical circuits, just using independent circuits for the woofer and midrange/tweeter created enough differences that I eventually went back to a single amp per channel. I do, however strongly believe in monoblocks with separate amps and power supplies for each channel. And I do have separate amps for my subs.

Obviously plenty of people love their biamped systems, but just be aware that YMMV. 
I've seen Bi-wiring make a difference when there was a cable size issue, I've seen good single runs with good jumpers, work well also.

Bi-amping, I personally think it's the best of both worlds.
I use valves 300hz and up.
I use SS 300hz and down.  300 hz is pretty high, do a tone burst from your phone. It's pretty high..

Depends on your crossover, if it's a 2 way system, it's usually to high, to make a "GOOD" difference. 

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Thanks everyone for such informative posts. As I mentioned earlier, I wasn't aware of this specific configuration and was intrigued. Appreciate the education. Right now, I'm enjoying my Luxman 590axii integrated amplifier, but I'm thinking down the line I would like to add a tube preamp in conjunction with the Luxman and see how it affects the sound. I don't think I will pursue the setup I mentioned in my original post. I'm not as savvy or knowledgeable as some of you folks. It's much more likely that I might end up making matters worse.