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At This Time Can We Recreate Full Range Live Music In The Home?

I read on this web site some members claim they go to the symphony orchestra and are "convinced" their system reproduces the experience. I agree with vocals, light percussion, acoustic music, light jazz, the best systems come very close. My experience comes from being a semi professional drummer for 40+ years. I currently have acoustic and electronic drums in my home. I play in a huge open space with 20 foot cathedral ceilings. I think I can state that I know what live drums sound like. Can even the six figure systems reproduce the attack and decay of a 20 inch crash cymbal? I say "maybe" in the future but not now! What makes me laugh is we audiophiles myself included will spend many, many thousands of dollars trying to reproduce the sound of a $20 triangle or a $15 woodblock or a $10 shaker. Play the song Aja by Steely Dan. I can play on my system the drum solo by the great Steve Gadd at realistic volume levels-if you dare -but it is not the same as real drums!! I don’t know if I can’t convince people that are not musicians. Not putting non-musicians down. Quoting my dad, "You don’t have to be a horse to be a horse doctor." Another quote by John Lennon. Someone asked him what he was listening to. He responded, "Dripping water."  It would be interesting to know how many of the greatest producers/engineers are or are not musicians or vocalists.
Some statistics: Soft drums 105dB, hard drums up to 130dB, kick drum/timpani 106-111dB, ride cymbal 101dB, toms 110dB, ride bell 115dB, crash 113dB, snare 120dB, rimshot 125dB. I have a system that could produce 125dB, would I -NO WAY I value my #1 instrument -my ears. So the drums are playing at 125dB peaks, now add in the other 80+ members of the symphony orchestra-how loud now? I ask again, can we at this time reproduce accurately the power of a symphony orchestra in the home? For many of us this is the Holy Grail of being an audiophile - Keep Searching!
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joysjane
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Although my system comes close, short answer is no.

I can play @ really close to 120db full range.
But, it sure as hell doesn’t sound like live music.
It sounds great.... just doesn’t have that live impact.
That’s not a complaint.
I really enjoy my system for what it does.

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Will be following what other’s points of view will be regarding this question...
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whart
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At best, we recreate a convincing illusion when everything, including the source material lines up with the strengths of a system; compared to live, even an unamplified drum kit is explosive in reality and pretty hard to duplicate; my usual hang was a small club which seats 100 or so. Yes, some systems might have the power and air-moving ability at higher db but I’m not sure how nicely such a system would play in the upper registers at high volume- it would depend quite a bit on the recording as well as the system and associated components.
I don’t listen at rock concert levels at home. I saw King Crimson perform a few years ago, 3 drummers, Tony Levin’s stick bass went way down; playing the Live in Toronto vinyl the next morning was like a small scale reproduction of this (very good recording, that) but simply could not duplicate the scale,  bass depth or levels of the sound system in a 2,000 seat hall.

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mijostyn
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The answer is yes sort of. You can reproduce drums at a distance, on a stage. You can not reproduce sitting at the kit and wracking a cymbal 2 feet away from you. I play the drums now only as a hobby. I do not have the speed or coordination a great drummer needs. I have the time and that is about it. I do know what drums are supposed to sound like. Gavin Harrison has the best set of drums I have ever heard. Reproducing a live performance to the point where you can close your eyes and imagine you are at the concert in reality is quite possible. In many ways the quality of the sound can be much better than you would have at many if not most live concerts. This excludes classical concerts in well engineered halls or open venues. It is the very rare system that can do this not that they can not produce an enjoyable experience and expense has much less to do with this than you would think. 

@whart , Talking about Gavin Harrison, I have seen KC 3 ties in the last three years, twice with VIP tickets. We were entertained by Tony Levin the first time and Gavin the second prior to the concert. Anyway, their concert set up with the three drummers up front gives you a wonder live image which perfectly matches the DVD Radical Action to Unseat Monkey Mind. That DVD of that same concert transports me right back to the live show, right up to the 6th row center seats I had originally. It is the single most realistic recording of a live show I was actually at. I really believe Robert Fripp planned it this way. 
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audiorusty
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I believe that you can or at least get very very close, but you absolutely have to be able to tune your system to your room. If you just put a system in a room and expect to get a realistic live performance sound it will never happen unless the acoustics of your room match the acoustics of the live venue. The ability to be able to tune the source material to your room can also go along way to being able to recreate the live experience.
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