How much “suspension of disbelief do you need?”


We (or most of us) believe that it’s very difficult if not impossible to hear an exact representation of the the sound of a live performance on a recording.
The question is how much do you have to delude yourself into thinking it’s the real thing your listening to, to satisfy yourself.
To some it has to to be as close as possible. But others can make allowances for defects in the sound in order to enjoy the presentation.

‘How much do you need?

 

rvpiano

I do not agree that all concerts are mono. Several examples.

Pink Floyd - DSOTM Tour

Grateful Dead - any concert played through "The Wall of Sound" 

Steely Dan - Just saw them in Boston Nov 20th, definitely in stereo
                      but I was 10th row center, so the PA very well may have been
                      mono.

Regards,

barts
 

Yes, SELF DECEPTION is the point. This suspension of DIS belief helps create a feeling of the real thing. Just like in a movie or play. We know what’s happening on the screen or stage is not actually taking place but we suspend our disbelief so that we can think we’re witnessing something real.
In music this is easier with acoustic instruments or voices. As some have pointed out, coming close to reproducing the sounds from an actual rock concert with electronic instruments is not only almost impossible but maybe not even desirable.
‘The question I’m really posing is how CLOSE to the real thing does the recording have to come so that you can believe it’s in your listening space.
‘Many have said this doesn’t matter for them to enjoy the music. And that’s perfectly understandable if not desirable.  My post is directed at those who do care.

Movies are are sketchy example. Most writers lean away from real world in favor of sensational. Count me as one who don't care. It's nice when it happens "really" but the performance is more important. That said I'm big fan of Nightfly Live which never sounded like that except in the Donald's head.

‘How much do you need?

As much as I can ferret out of my system.

All the best,
Nonoise

 

Movies are are sketchy example. Most writers lean away from real world in favor of sensational. Count me as one who don’t care.

I disagree. I think the parallels work.

Just like music tracks span the gamut of "acoustic sources recorded naturalistically" to "completely artificial, including electronic music," movies span the gamut of "fantastical" like the superhero movies to movies that seek "realism" (e.g.Cinéma vérité ).

 

And between those there is plenty of effort that go in to making a movie "believable."

 

If you have an average drama with a doctor in a hospital, for instance, in general the film makers will seek to mimic some semblance of the real world "would a doctor really say that?" "Does this really look like the inside of an operating room?" "What type of furniture, medical machinery would be present?" etc. I do that when selecting which sounds I'm going to put in to the scene.  All that is due to the way people will naturally be referencing what they know of reality. I work in Film and TV, and there is a hell of a lot of effort put in to scripts, acting, sets, sound design, etc to make things more believable.

 

I just finished doing the sound design for a series that took place in the old west. There’s a reason I didn’t put in the sound of jets flying past, or modern cars.

 

So people go to movies knowing it won’t be real life, but film makers understand that if they get certain things more accurate to real life on the screen - if that’s what they are seeking - it helps the believability the suspension of disbelief, for the audience.

 

As I said, same with audio. No need to approach it expecting reproduction indistinguishable from real, but many of us find that if certain aspects of how things really sound are there, it can be satisfying and give something of an illusion of hearing the real thing.

 

(I’ve played my system for numerous non-audiophile guests, and the most common comment is "wow, it sounds real. Like I’m hearing the musicians play right there in the studio.")