I don't want to beat a dead horse but I'm bugged.


I just can't clear my head of this. I don't want to start a measurements vs listening war and I'd appreciate it if you guys don't, but I bought a Rogue Sphinx V3 as some of you may remember and have been enjoying it quite a bit. So, I head over to AVS and read Amir's review and he just rips it apart. But that's OK, measurements are measurements, that is not what bugs me. I learned in the early 70s that distortion numbers, etc, may not be that important to me. Then I read that he didn't even bother listening to the darn thing. That is what really bugs me. If something measures so poorly, wouldn't you want to correlate the measurements with what you hear? Do people still buy gear on measurements alone? I learned that can be a big mistake. I just don't get it, never have. Can anybody provide some insight to why some people are stuck on audio measurements? Help me package that so I can at least understand what they are thinking without dismissing them completely as a bunch of mislead sheep. 

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By the way it is comical but also tragic to see grown men acting like children in a schoolyard, and instead of giving arguments, giving a gift approval point to someone they approve because he just insult or denigrate someone else instead of answering or discussing ...Inmates act like that too...Sheeps, children or mature, are sheeps...They feel better in a group where thinking is replaced by gestures...Before we were men, long time ago, we were apes without thinking smiles nor language...

Many people speak exactly like that all around the world right now, the gestures are only a propaganda sign conditioned system, they all obey it...

The conditioning by facebook tweeter, etc, instead of stimulating thinking, put people in the gestures labelling zoo....

 

It is life... 😁😊

But we could agree on what makes a denigrating post and then track whether posts are becoming more or less civil over time.

So much like the topic of the thread, that could be measured.

Right now we have feelings and magic.

  • Feelings and emotions for the music.
  • Feelings and emotion for the arguments and posts.
  • And the magic of earth and cosmic vibrations.
  • Versus trhe magic of strings and wood wind vibrations.

Might as well keep it going.

Does it mean that your ears are better than anything else on this earth

I don't think so.

Does it mean you have golden ears

Probably not but I might be a better listener than average.

Does it mean your experiences are greater than anyone elses

I Probably have more experience than average, less than some in the industry.  

Does it mean that your are the only one that needs to like what you hear

Well, I try to please me, I don't care about what others might like.

Does it mean that your hearing is better than any messurment device

My interpretation of what I hear might be better than a raw measurement, yes. 

Have you done the experiment that you go to ASR and look up the WORST measuring power amplifier that Amir has measured.

I'm pretty sure that is why I started this thread. 

@agisthos  Your problem was reading a review by Amir.

Yes ASR and AVS forums are no place for people that like to advance their systems. They say buy a AVR, a pair of 200 buck bookshelf speakers and you are at the state of the art. If you hear differences in gear, you are dilutional, biased,  and wasting money. They are not advancing the hobby.