Wharfedale Elysian 4 Incredible build quality and sound, but made in China.

First it is you who did not change a bit with your "sour" welcome...I spoke about your "attitude" toward me...not about political ideas.. It is you who for a welcome throw a sarcasm...And your UNJUSTIFIED sarcasm ( directed toward me and my friend ) was written in a thread about chineese product and the ethical reason to buy one or not... I spoke my mind to a friend...

I am used to talk amically with cd318 for a long time now...

You could not resist to throw a sarcasm for welcoming me ...I answered...

But our exhange him and me never need your ideological approval or censorship ...And DID NOT CONCERN YOU if in place of a rational argument you had only a mere sarcasm..

I dont bear grudge with people and i salute anybody here...I did not bothered you since my arrival more than a week ago, did i ?

But i dont accept your sarcasm PASSIVELY sorry , and i am free here to speak my mind with any friend ...

It is astonishing that you do the same as me giving your opinions with political narrow views and you dont accept if someone else speak his mind especially when larger views are expressed ... You post childlike sarcasm everywhere and everytime and me i dont have the right to discuss with a friend ?

Where is the post i throw at your head or my sarcasm about any of your political allusion since my first day here ? The last one of your post i had seen  was erased by the moderators, did i throw sarcasm at you because i am not on the same wavelenght ? No , because i know that being in dissent you dont WANT to discuss rationally.. Then i dont answer your posts if not INVITED...

I never adressed you... You did... Do the same...

You are an hypocrit, you accuse me to do exactly the same thing as you do every time you can, saying your political opinion... I have mine too a bit larger than your own... But me i dont wait hidden till the occasion is there to throw  accusation against you... Did i ?

As you said rightfully ...

There goes the thread...

But it was up to you to discuss with us  in a friendly manner  about your view .. Why not ?  Simple, you hate me... It was the same in the past with other character... Me i like to discuss but i hate nobody...

You haven’t changed one bit. Before your comeback, people were praising your evenhanded, grown up and thoughtful commentary and almost elevated you to the level of a saint. Some of us countered saying you were no better informed, polite or non-political than any of us and they took exception to it.

I watched this thread to see when they’d chime in to say to you and CD318 to knock it off with the political commentary, the one sided, ill informed commentary, and maybe say something contrary myself, but that would have gotten your cheer leading squad all up in arms (since they are as one sided as you).

No, I just posted "there goes the thread", a meaning everyone here understands, and your comeback is where you left off when you stopped posting here a while back. Same old, same old. By all means, go ahead and use my words anytime you wish.

All the best,
Nonoise

As your usual want, you single me out for your long standing animus against me and ignore the other insults directed at you earlier for your long winded posts. You were so polite in answering them. How gentlemanly. My post was much less offensive and directed at both you and CD318 for treading on topics that all of us have been trying to avoid for the longest time now. It's been a breath of fresh air and now the air is getting stale.

The way you frame your accusations, based on falsehoods that anyone can quickly look for in this thread, boggles the mind. Where did I express my ideology or political leanings in this conversation with you?

You've just brought some old baggage with you on your return here, ready to bore us to tears and use it as justification to pick up and continue where you left off. 

All the best,
Nonoise

I am polite and factual in general yes ...

Are you saying me that you never expressed your political view in any post since 10 month and never being sarcastic against those who do not think as you think?😊

And of all the posts i exhanged here since 10 days, i only spoke politic in a thread DEDICATED about the political and ethical meaning of buying or not the chinese product and i spoke my mind with a FRIEND ... is it you who decide if i can or not ?

Ok i catch , i am for you like M. C. a toxic product we must throw out of audiogon... is it the case ?

Sorry i will stay except if too much people think the opposite..

Good night...

If you dont like politic about chinese product change and go in another thread...

As your usual want, you single me out for your long standing animus against me and ignore the other insults directed at you earlier for your long winded posts. You were so polite in answering them.

By the way i never adressed you FIRST since i am here and i would have never adress you again if you had not throw your sarcasm at us cd318 and me ...The "old baggage" is your own hate and incapacity to speak rationally with me...I NEVER ANSwERED YOUR POST HERE SINCE I AM HERE .. YOU DID...

You are a specialist of reversing the  accusation ...

Let me alone or suffer my answers... I dont stay silent when criticized.. I answer...

You've just brought some old baggage with you on your return here, ready to bore us to tears and use it as justification to pick up and continue where you left off. 

All the best,
Nonoise

I assumed that the "made in china" was a quality and/or a reliability issue (which fits high-end audio interests) vs a "political" one.  

I too greatly dislike communism for the misery it brings.  I do understand that for some countries it may have been better than before.  One thing I do not do is to dislike the people who have to live under a communist rule like they all are communisticly patriotic - most are simply trying to make a living the best they can just like everybody else.