What's the point of reviewing?


What’s up with anyone’s opinion good or worse, unless we have identical equipment and acoustic spaces, it’s mute.

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Interesting conversation.

+1 @jjss49 "the generalized question...is how does one sort through what is available to draw salient, accurate, reliable conclusions upon which to act?"

+1 Mahgister's idea that we do need multiple reviewers to help us converge. I disagree that this does not also include "taste" because we need to find a reviewer who communicates to us, aesthetically. So it's about both.

+1 Wolf garcia. Sometimes reviewers are fun to read and can lead to new experiments by us. They re-wire how we conceive of something and that changes what we do. That's useful.

+1 bdp24 Expanding the audio vocabulary not only helps us describe what we hear, we hear differently and better with an expanded vocabulary. There are studies on smell which show this, too. More words increases acuity and sensorial perspicuity.

+1 @nonoise Reviews are a starting point, for sure. Sometimes I read reviews after I purchase, for confirmation or to see if I can now hear what the reviewer was hearing. Sometimes it's a mid-point. I've heard some gear and want to go listen again; but, in the meantime, I check out a review. 

My main problem with reviews is that they are too positive. Critical or negative reviews have a higher burden of proof; they're forced to make a more detailed and stronger argument.

To take one example, Herb Reichert is a great describer of gear and what he hears, but I sometimes find that he's too in love with his own purple prose, prose that sells 40k speakers is win win for him, but it doesn't advance criticism very significantly. Just helps rich people part with their money with a better excuse than "I liked the buttons."

I’ve bought numerous components over the years based generally on Herb Reichert’s reviews (stereophile) and to me, he is dead on with his reviews and a joy to read. I also like the fact that he often reviews equipment the average guy can afford...for example, pioneer plx1000, Hana el, wharfedale 225, linton, rogue sphinx, goldenear brx, border patrol dac, etc etc etc...I own several of the aforementioned, and find that they sound as he described and are good value for your money.

We can easily class reviews in Reviewers i trust, reviewers i dont know, and reviewers i distrust etc...

Speaking to do a statistical analysis of each acoustic factors with the specific words picked to describe them in reviews DONT PRECLUDE what is evident to do, classify the reviewers, once we did had identified our precise needs...

 

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+1 Mahgister’s idea that we do need multiple reviewers to help us converge. I disagree that this does not also include "taste" because we need to find a reviewer who communicates to us, aesthetically. So it’s about both.

 

 

 

My main problem with reviews is that they are too positive. Critical or negative reviews have a higher burden of proof; they’re forced to make a more detailed and stronger argument.

This is precisely WHY we are better to NEVER choose only reviewers with our esthetical and taste ONLY but especially MANY unknown people, average audiophiles who will pick other words to describe what a PAID pro reviewer will avoid and mitigate: the negative impact of his words choice...Infirmation rule ,confirmation goes after...

Chosing audio component has nothing to do with "taste" , we dont even know really the needs, the room, the ears, the components of the reviewer we like because we identify ourself with one aspect of his written ghost personnality ... Chosing audio components is about "acoustic factors" evaluation and impact not about "taste"...

What is not said in a review matter the most, and what is negative is the most important and must be investigate in a comparison with the words choice of others reviewers to infirm or confirm ...

What is positive means something ONLY by the added numbers of reviewers ...

 

«My two hands works better together without me»--Groucho Marx 🤓

«My hands need my brain more than me sometimes»--Groucho Marx 🤓

@roxy54 a run on sentence. 😂 I tend to do that after an edible. Was a hard day kayaking.  I am going to start calling you Mrs, Carvello, she what my 8th grade English teacher and she was hot. 

Just for the record, I've bought most of my system based on reviews and reputation without hearing it first. I was never interested in restricting my buying decisions only to gear that I could demo at home. In fact, I have never demoed a piece of gear in my system before I bought it.

I don't know how many people out there are like me but I suspect that it's quite a few - they are just rare on this forum or they won't admit it. Look at all the people who gush over their Chinese ladder DACs that they never auditioned before they got them. How did they even know about these DACS if they never read a review? I've never had the time to mess around with home demos. I have subscribed to Stereophile and TAS for about 40 years and I carefully read the reviews of anything that I am interested in buying. I've never bought a component that was reviewed well that sounded bad.

I have carefully auditioned speakers in showrooms, however, The pair of Mirage M3si I bought in the 90's are a good example. They are big, weigh over 100 lbs each and there was no way I was going to lug home the demo pair and try them out. They sounded great in the showroom and they sounded great in my system. My current speakers, Thiel CS6, I bought from a friend at a very good price and I did listen to make sure they worked OK but I didn't try to make any judgements. I bought these speakers based on the outstanding reviews they received and sure enough, they sound stunning. If I upgrade now I would go with a pair of MBL 101 E MkII speakers. I've heard them at a couple of audio shows and they were amazing. But the nearest dealer is hundreds of miles away from me and even if they were across town there is no way I would spend the time and effort to schlep a pair in my house even if the dealer would let me (oh God, what if I damaged one). I would rather make the transaction as simple as possible and ask the dealer for a discount because I'm an easy customer to deal with.

I don't know how most of the Agon forum participants have the time to adhere to a "demo only" policy but I sort of feel like they need to get a life. The time I spend with my system is valuable and I want to be listening to music, not auditioning gear.

Lastly, I would absolutely trust the opinion of professional reviewers who have heard a wide range of components over a bunch of audio forum hacks who mostly tout the components they have purchased to prove how wise they are. If someone doesn't read professional reviews then it indicates that they only get their information from forums or dealers. In each case the sources of information are totally biased toward what they own or sell. No thanks. I'll get my audio guidance from folks who are paid professionals who do this for a living and have a reputation to protect.