Did Amir Change Your Mind About Anything?

You put in my mouth what i never said,,,

It seems extremists in subjective and objective schools will never understand anything out of their blindness spot...

I ONLY said what i said, not that my three past dac sounded the same...

I mean  the difference which are there is not huge and does not compare to other embeddings controls especially acoustic one...

I said confirming Amir on this point that dac technology is mature technology and we can have very good dac at low price... Once this is said i LISTEN to deetermine my choice or the need for a change...

 

 

@Mahgister

"For example in dac... Dac is a mature technology, and we can now afford a very good one at relatively low price..."

See, this is where the comment breaks down. You can get a very good measuring one, but it may not sound that good. However ASR minions will argue that all Dacs that measure the same sound the same.

Your post is an example of despise that innerve everybody here...

You talk about what "neutrinos" coming from a cable? And you mock subjectivist hearing them...

It is very easy to mock subjectivist extremist views...

I dont like extremist of the subjectivist or objectivist kind...

Why ?

Because they focus on gear "magical " properties , MEASURED OR NOT....

The measuring crowd argue against the listening crowds that some qualitative phenomena cannot be there and the other side insulted claim and argue they are there...

Myself i dont focus on the GEAR....As this two sides did...

Audio is about acoustic and psycho-acoustic AT THE END...

Then i was able to tune my room to my likings with a result so astonishing that i learned this fact : there is no relation between before and after...

Is my small room could be deemed PERFECT acoustically like a great acoustic Hall designed by a pro? no...

Is my small room designed and tuned for my ears and biases ? Yes

Small room acoustic is not great Hall acoustic...( For example time and timing play in a different way for the ears reverberation can be used positively Etc )

i then learned why subjectivist and objectivist miss the boat in their respective living room...

In audio the most important component is a dedicated acoustic room... This is my truth... And for the immature dude who will say that my hearing is not perfect, i will answer for sure my hearing is not perfect ...But i was able to tune 100 Helmholtz resonators around my room distributed on critical spot by ears , and i did it in my imperfect way as a piano tuner tune a piano... It takes me 1 complete year of fun each day... End results : extraordinary at NO COST...It is not perfect precisely because my ears is not perfect but for me it was way better than no acoustic tuning ... There is NO COMPARISON ON ANY ACOUSTIC FACTORS between before and after..

The lesson : the gear is SECONDARY....

The hearing biases are not there to be ELIMINATED in the small owner’s room  but to be used positively  AS A SET OF  BIASES TOOL to tune the room for the owner ears...This room is not a HALL for the crowds it is for me...( great hall acoustic is not small room acoustic, the same acoustic principles are used in a different way here)

if someone dont want to study basic acoustics and learned a lot by experiments; i recommend Dr. Choeri BACCH filters... It will be the same as my room but on a level of perfection reducing it to nothing to be compared.... My imperfect  ears cannot beat DSP wisely used in a revolutionary psycho-acoustic design...

As in my room the sound from speakers ( or from your headphone) will be there in 3-D perfectly localized without timbre degradation... A feat i can only grossly and imperfctly approximate in my small room...

I am neither a subjectivist nor an objectivist extremist IDEOLOGUE quarelling as childs ...

i dont focus on gear, measured or not, i focus on acoustic...

The key to the best world system is acoustic and psycho-acoustic ...Ask Dr. Choueri... He dont mind the brand name of speakers, amplifier or turntable or Dac and their measures or their reviews...What matters first and last is the properties of the ears/brain experience as described in psycho-acoustic, or as used in an imperfect way in your room...Pick any good basic system and put it on his top level with acoustic... This is the way...I dont mind if you choose it by ears or by the numbers...I dont mind extremists...

 

Yeah but what about the neutrinos? Nobody checks for them. I have a cable with special shielding .....and I’m starting a go fund me account......

They will be called No trino cables.

So mahgister,  I guess that you will not helping my go fund me account to help develop the "No trino" cables?

What if  told you that neutrinos cannot be measured?  Let's see Amir shoot that one down!   It's a foolproof scam, I mean plan.  

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I'm joking.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

@prof 

Amir and ASR get slagged on forums like this, where strawmen accusations and inaccurate claims are made about him and the site. It’s completely his right, and certainly worthwhile, for him to engage with some of this criticism to correct some of the misinformation.

That is rich to complain about Amir and ASR being slagged!  ASR has developed slagging others into an art form.  An ASR moderator stated ASR members must treat other ASR members with respect.  However, continued to say non ASR members are NOT afforded the same respect.  Let that sink in.  Speaks volumes about ASR.  ASR lack of respect is demonstrated repeatedly.  

Amir may have started ASR with pure intentions.  For the most part, he has stayed out of the mug his followers like to live in. Unfortunately, die hard followers routinely engage in slagging others.  The issue is not whether criticism is deserved, it is the descent into a mixture of hostility, snark, insults, and skirting slander.  

ASR feels justified in starting a fight, but is quick to cry foul when there is a response.  Perfect example is an ongoing back and forth ASR started and escalated until a response appeared.  What's good for the goose is good for the gander.  ASR throws grenades, stop whining about grenades being returned.  

To be clear, measurements are valuable, but do not characterize everything.  Amir providing measurements as a service is fine,  The issue is the uncontrolled vitriol of the hard core followers. 

Back at the beginning of this thread I asked if the OP uses an auto tuner to tune their instrument or do they do it by ear?  The OP responded both ways.  That is the interesting point.  Many of us have the ears, the fine hearing to tune an instrument, or a stereo, but still need the assurance of measurements.  Being an engineer I also tend to want confirmation by measurement of what I am hearing- although less so these days as I have learned to trust what I hear more.  At some point the best learn to work without a net.

A remarkable memory from years ago:  I knew a musician with great hearing.  He came over to my house and with a single tuning fork he tuned our piano.  It sounded better than ever.  Even something as basic as tuning an instrument by a skilled musician can sound better than just adjusting the strings (or tube length) to a set and measured frequency.  Something about the feel of the instrument in a master’s hands that is superior to measurements.  A good example was some decades ago a renowned flautist was being interviewed after giving a concert.  The reporter, in jest handed the flautist a plastic recorder to see if he could play it.  The master played an amazing tune on that plastic toy.  Very impressive.  

Measurements go only so far.  The feel, the emotional response of the music and the memories make a human connection that no analyzer can quantify.