Did Amir Change Your Mind About Anything?
It’s easy to make snide remarks like “yes- I do the opposite of what he says.” And in some respects I agree, but if you do that, this is just going to be taken down. So I’m asking a serious question. Has ASR actually changed your opinion on anything? For me, I would say 2 things. I am a conservatory-trained musician and I do trust my ears. But ASR has reminded me to double check my opinions on a piece of gear to make sure I’m not imagining improvements. Not to get into double blind testing, but just to keep in mind that the brain can be fooled and make doubly sure that I’m hearing what I think I’m hearing. The second is power conditioning. I went from an expensive box back to my wiremold and I really don’t think I can hear a difference. I think that now that I understand the engineering behind AC use in an audio component, I am not convinced that power conditioning affects the component output. I think.
So please resist the urge to pile on. I think this could be a worthwhile discussion if that’s possible anymore. I hope it is.
Answering questions isn't the goal. Creating drama, fabricating "excitement," polarizing one group against another as a way to perpetuate influence, those are the goals. The show must go on! Most of these YouTubers are just clowns. |
There certainly is a lot of absurdity, but there’s also lots of good content as well (much of it from Amir).
Who do you think is actually doing that? You know audio engineering is not the same as "music," right? Audio engineering involves quantification to understand what is going on so the engineer can take the right steps towards getting what he wants to achieve. Nobody is "objectifying" their enjoyment of music. Whatever music you enjoy is totally subjective, and no (normal) engineer would say otherwise. You may as well say "I don’t care to objectify my call to my mother on my iphone." Well of course not. But the engineering behind your iphone relies on objectively verifiable results in order for you to have that phone to enjoy conversations with your mom.
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Perhaps you are a bit biased...😊 What about my last post and article ? Here a test of basic reading abilities: read this article and explain to me why this article is important in acoustic , and how it matter about our discussion... At least i will see if someone know how to read... Nobody reacted to this article , i posted it twice here FOR A REASON...If nobody does understand why it matter to this preposterous war between ears and electrical tools , i will go back to music..😊 And what about my argument? They are all occupied by punching each other in the most absurd way... Objectivists and subjectivists are twin brothers born from marketing with their focus on the gear, by ears golden or not, or by measurements...... For me and for science audio experience is about acoustical, electrical and mechanical embeddings not about gear choices...Science in audio is basically acoustic before engineering... And in my room too it is acoustic before engineering... Anybody can pick good gear at relatively low price today... The problem is his embeddings and controls for the ears of the owner because he experience sound in a determined acoustic field : his room...... In audio there is one basic science, which is multi-disciplinary, it is psycho-acoustic, not electrical engineering with blind test which is secondary technology answering mainly market design inquiries, thats all......
There is only ONE WAY to train hearing: it is acoustic experiments... Not blind test of gear... Are you serious? 😊
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"Do you ever seat down and just enjoy your music like a normal human being?"
------------ Okay, so I just completed reading all 14 pages of your show report on the ASR forum. Some nice Photos. I was paying attention to lots of complaints about costs of equipment, or complaints about speaker positioning in the rooms. A few nice compliments about exhibitors listing components, pricing sheets, and measurements. A few comments such as "sounds decent", or "bright" or "open". Pretty vague, not descriptive, and no explanation beyond single words at most. Honestly - the report so far has no helpful descriptions or details about how things really sounded at the show, with a lack of descriptive detail. Also noting very limited praise for many systems we are familiar with, particularly with high cost systems. High cost systems can sound good too, yet there is limited reporting. Other than some nice photos, reading the 14 pages posted so far was kind of a waste of time for me. There seems to be a real gap in describing how things sound in a manner folks here on Audiogon can truly appreciate or understand. Perhaps we can ask the question in another way to learn more. ASK: With your expertise in measurements, can you also share something more about a system that you really like and enjoy? Then describe how it sounds, and why it sounds great to you? In what ways?
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