"Cleaning" Vinyl Makes It Worse Not Better!


I"m using a spray 'advanced vinyl record cleaning solution' with a cleaning cloth.

It creates GUNK in the grooves which can be fixed by cleaning the needle 5-7 times during playing one side..  It gets into the grooves and fixes the problem.  I'd rather find a better way to clean the discs. Sounds dumb, I know. 

What am I doing wrong?

Please Help!!

klimt

@tuberculin

Make no mistake, you did not offend me.  You criticized the work that I have done, and I have the right of response.  Period. 

I have expended as much as 4-6 hours working with someone when they are attempting to use the chemistry and process that are documented in the book and run into problems.  For the record, I have never worked with you.  There are little details that can make a large difference such as concentration and application, even the brush and the technique using the brush (for vacuum RCM).  That is why I always say the devil is in the details.  

I would like to know the source of your statement:  

I tried your Tergitol, it didn't work as well. That's why they added the second Tergitol, to make it the same as Triton X. 

The origins of Tegikleen which is a blend of insoluble Tergitol 15-S-3 and soluble Tergitol 15-S-9 go back to 1996 when Triton X100 would have been readily available world-wide:  The Care and Handling of Recorded Sound Materials, By Gilles St-Laurent Music Division National Library of Canada January 1996  “The Canadian Conservation Institute (CCI) recommends the use of nonionic, ethelyne oxide condensates surfactants to clean sound recordings. The CCI does not foresee long-term problems associated with the use of nonionic surfactants such as Tergitol. Tergitol 15-S-3 is an oil soluble surfactant and 15-S-9 is a water-soluble surfactant. Combined they remove a wide range of dirt and greases and can safely be used on sound recordings. Use 0.25 part of Tergitol 15-S-3 and 0.25 parts of Tergitol 15-S-9 per 100 parts of distilled water. The recording must then be rinsed thoroughly with distilled water to eliminate any trace of detergent residue.”.

Otherwise, you are entitled to your opinion, and as the old saying goes, you can make some of the people happy some of the times, but you will never make all the people happy all the time.  

Peace

Turtle Wax Bug and Tar Remover and 0000 steel wool are great for reducing high fequency noise.  Along with high frequence music.

Sokogear, Have you ever encountered an audiophile who exposed all of his LPs to room air, by removing them from their protective sleeves, and then proceeded to smoke for hours on end? I find it hard to believe that "smoke" damage is a significant factor in the genesis of noisy LPs, except in the rare case of LPs that were rescued from a house fire. Don’t you think that is a bit far-fetched? However, there is such a thing as an LP that has been damaged by excessive play or by other kinds of misuse, like excessive VTF or worn styli. Those LPs can never be helped by cleaning, no matter how hard one might try.

Antinn, as I think you must know, Abe Lincoln was referring to "fooling the people", not making them happy. I for one am grateful for your good work and for publishing your data, even though I continue to use Triton X100.

Cleaning cloth? Ouch! That’s a no no.

If you want to clean and dry records automatically and for reasonable cost look at Humminguru ultrasonic cleaner.

If a more manual approach is Ok then Spin Clean.

 

@lewm

The quote I somewhat butchered was:  You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time" and web 'appears' to attribute it to John Lydgate of Bury (c. 1370 – c. 1451) who was a monk and poet.  

I will not hold it against you for using Triton X100 LOL.  Many people I have worked with had Triton X100 and while adopting some of what I recommended choose to stay with Triton X100.  It really only becomes to an issue when people want a no-rinse solution for UT, in which case you want just enough nonionic surfactant for wetting and keeping the cleaner concentration 50-ppm or less works well and this is where Tergitol 15-S-9 is a major benefit.  

Otherwise, thank you for the kind words and best wishes to you and yours for the Holidays and the New Year,

Neil