12au7 tube?


Looking for a good 12au7 (JJ ecc802s currently). I know the Telefunken ECC802s is the holy grail, but it comes at a price that is just too steep for me to justify. Many will recommend Mullard, but I always find them a bit too "wooly", lacking in definition. They're going in a Mastersound 845 Compact.

 

What tubes would you recommend that fits between the clarity of the Telefunken (without the price...) and the Mullard? I don't mind spending a bit of money on a pair (let's say max $500 for the pair, prefer to be lower if at all possible).

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@curiousjim ...A couple of weeks later I read an article saying that PSVANE had put out a batch of 12au7 Art series tubes that were bad. Again I sent emails mentioning the article to PSV and Viva and still they won’t budge! So that’s why I will never buy PSVANE tubes again and I will never buy from Viva again.

 

Transparently - something very similar happened for me. Had everything to do with the tubes being lightly packed, loose boxes, no foam or peanuts inside. Same seller, and they were Gold Lyon, not PSVANE. Got a refund, thankfully. Crackling and snapping and popping in the first 1hr, and tried again like you - several times. Had been down this same path with other tubes, but something in common I found.

There is a whole other thread about this, and I’m challenging the distributors and reailers who unbox from Asia, and then test, and not put foam or peanuts and all that back in - leaving the tubes LOOSE inside, rattling and bouncing during shipping. Even the leaders at PSVANE are aware of poor re-packing/shipping issues. And they seemed to have fessed up a bout some batches that went bad  a while back, told me "poor QA". This next - Not sure what your case is - but I’’ll mention this if you need it. This can helps if you suspect poor repacking to you. 

You have another option. I just got a pair replaced, direct from the factory. They are going to ask you to share intel and photos and will want you to physically break the tubes to replace them - send them photos back of it all - in order to get replacements. Contact PSVANE direct. Try it, they were good responding to me. Took 17 days to get replacements. I’m using my 6SN7 replacements now, no issues, were packed really well too - fingers crossed for you., https://psvane.co/pages/contact-1

 

I use NOS 12SN7 with adapters in place of 12AU7's in my Backert Labs preamp. They are superior to the 12SN7"s.

I like reliability in tubes. I’ve never been let down by Gold Lions, and their performance is very good. And you can get them for a song on USAudioMart. 

It's quite concerning hearing about the quality issues at Psvane. Grant Fidelity (premiumvaccumtubes.com) dropped them due to quality concerns/issues and are selling Linlai only.

 

This makes it really difficult to find good 845 tubes for a future tube upgrade... As far as I know, of new tubes, there's only Psvane, Linlai and KR making them (and KR doesn't follow the standard, so they're out).

@curiousjim 

Have you ever bought problematic tubes from Viva and not been taken care of by them?

I’m asking because they always take care of their customers, at least in my experience.