There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man’s fears, and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call ... The Twilight Zone. 😲
Love it when it snows
Nothing quiets things down like a nice blanket of snow. The roof is muffled, and the forest too. But I think there may be even more going on. Doesn't snow often here, but every time it sure does seem like the power is cleaner. For sure the listening is better.
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From what I understand "Bios" from your link, is not a law it’s not even a theory but a hypothesis on creative evolution. It postulates that life could have emerged not by determined unpredictability/chaos or supernatural beings/ Gods but by a certain process called determined novelty. It doesn’t address the nature of the universe so I am not sure what the point was in bringing it up in a discussion about whether it’s a determined universe or a chaotic one. The working theory the Big Bang assumes the universe is determined unpredictability or chaotic. |
I use the term law metaphorically...I answer to your post about entropy and the fate of the universe...There is other "law" of information linked to physical process and to life process that indicate another direction for the ultimate fate of the sensible universe than death and "non sense"...... Bios is a method of data analysis that can reveal these" laws" metaphorically speaking that transcend death and random absurdity...Bios is the twin brother of chaos... Bios is a certain window determined by the dynamics of some simple deterministic equation that indicate "novelty" a name given by the discoverer to some structural aspect of the data that reveal an harmonic distribution of the order and of chaos... It is a method to analyse data and reveal some information that is not revealed by chaotic process ... «The discovery of Bios (Kauffman and Sabelli, 1998), an aperiodic pattern with the features of creativity (diversification, novelty, complexity) and the 1/f spectrum of natural processes provides a model to study creative processes. Bios is chaotic as being aperiodic, causal, and highly sensitive to inputs (“sensitivity to initial conditions”) but typical chaotic processes do not show diversification, novelty, complexity and 1/f spectrum. As creativity is fundamental, bios cannot be reduced to chaos. » I speak about that because we can analyse data in a way that may reveal an higher order of phenomena that trascend disosrder randomness and entropy ...It is not a law in the strict sense of the term, bios is a method to derive new information from any data...This information is linked to a new level of complexity not seen in pure chaotic process... https://www.innovation.cc/scholarly-style/2009_13_3_12_sabelli_bios-theory.pdf |
In some years I will be dead and I must know something before dying...I decide that I cannot wait after physics and astrophysics to understand the ultimate nature of reality... Some years ago some physicist speak about the death of the universe like if it was the ultimate fate of the body-spirit of man...That was untrue.... But physics is divided by competitive theories, and no synthesis indicate the ultimate ground of reality, except indirectly trough the revolution of quantum mechanics... Physics is totally determined by the nature of the mathematical tools used and nothing more...The actual mathematical tools created in mathematics exceed by at least a century the tools used in contemporary physics...At least a century if not 2...Riemann created the geometry used by Einstein way before Einstein use it...Physics is constrained by some sensible aspect of reality in a way mathematics cannot be...Physics is linked to the structure history of only one universe, mathematics is cellular metabolism linking all universes... My inspiration came young with some intuition and after in the course of my life by meditation on the structure of the universal informational field, a universal memory, revealed to me by great mathematical discoveries including the most recent one... My study reveal to me the existence of an all immersive memory-information living field that is the only one reality...Mathematics reveal the structure of this multicellular entity and all mathematics is only that, the mind of god if you accept a metaphor of which the mind of man is only a small cellular part...... |
:) I am not much in believing... I am interested in the seeing...And geometry and numbers are very powerful telescope and microscope...The only problem is that we need years of study to see and I cannot give the perspective free of study and in a few words... Even if I can show to you the structure of this cellular entity, I can, you will doubt your eyes, and you must do some meditation on the drawing indeed... This is the most complex object of the universe because it is infinite and there is in it appearance of randomness and miraculous structure of order, and this is manifestation of "novelty" at a scale truly infinite : http://www.sievesofchaos.com/ I wanted to see with the mind eyes not believing... My best to you... |
There is many very profound mathematicians that had explored that... Some are unknown but many are known... Georg Cantor, Alexander Grothendieck, Shinichi Mochizuki, are the most important one in the known realm...The last one call his theory inter-universal geometry, but in reality this theory is about the multicellular structure of an all encompassing field, I called universal memory, it is for sure my own takes on that.. The first one create modern mathematics single handly ... The 2 others go to deep levels of abstraction and more in the way on revealing the universal memory cellular structure... Grothendieck has even written 2 thousand pages in french about creativity and spiritual matters linked to his works in mathematics…( His written mathematics covers 80,000 pages probably) He is recognized by those who knows like one of the greatest mathematician right at the left of Archimedes or Riemann or Gauss, or the extraterrestrial Ramanujan... Grothendieck is the genius spiritual father of the Japanese one... The Japanese one exceed the ordinary understanding... Because his theory concern the universal links between entire historical universes and their structural metabolism...His theory is way beyond actual physics...We must wait probably 50 years at least... I had no pretense at all by the way, I am not a scientist, only a very motivated dreamer...I only speak about that to suggest to you that perhaps there is other perspective than the death of this universe...And the absurdity of life... Believing is not seeing, but seeing is always believing…. Mathematics is the most powerful glasses there is...There are glasses only tough... There is other means of direct experience for sure without any glasses...That’s all... My best to you... |
You forgot your favorite, Roger Penrose, a Nobel laureate if I’m not mistaken, unlike all those dudes nobody ever heard of, who describes consciousness as quantum mechanical in his book, The Emperor’s New Mind. But all those heavy math dudes pale in comparison to Rupert Sheldrake’s opus, The Presence of the Past. The best part is it can be applied to audio. If it can’t be applied to audio I actually don’t care, even if the guy’s IQ can’t be measured. We had a guy in high school whose IQ couldn’t be measured. Nobody ever heard from him again. |
:) I like Sheldrake by the way very much....And I think that you are right about him...But Penrose ( I admire him tough) is not in the same level league that the 3 mathematicians I named... I can assure you that they are not unknown " dudes".... And thanks I will read the" presence of the past"... Oups! I read it in french when he was translated many years ago (25 years ago).... By the way one of my best friend deceased now has a measured I.Q. too high to mention, nobody ever heard of him at all...( The psychatrist that measure him says that he was schizophrenic to my not complete amazement tough) I teach him chess and I was never able to beat him after the first takes... Even if I am not a great chess player that say something...:) |
Djones You are right Stengers is way more interesting than Chopra...Stengers by the way recently wrote a book about the great Alfred North Whitehead...I read it with pleasure... There is a hiererachy level in complexity of information in all the books there is... We must begins by books we can at least understand a little... And go on with more difficult books and subjects... This is an entire life history of reading and studying... I like meditation and the links between subjects, concepts and perspectival view... Something to see before dying... A great Polish mathematician Sierpinski had inscribed on his tombstone : " here lied a traveler of the infinite"... |
Wow! iI seems very interesting page turner... I will look for it certainly...I like entertainment and learning in the same stroke...Thanks Geoffkait By the way I would have never called my numbers dreams a comatose dreams but it is on a way right on the spot.... :) I already have it... I will read it thanks.... |
Stenger's brief ' Is the Brain a Quantum Device' talks about Penrose and his notion the brain or consciousness is somehow quantum that he puts forth in His book The Emporers New Mind, the brain is to large and to hot to be a quantum device coherent or not. Physicists, neuroscientists and those in th AI community say the notion of quantum consciousness or brains is not supported by the evidence. |
Something cannot be too big to be quantum mechanical. That was one of the concepts of Schrödinger’s cat. 🐈 In fact the double slit experiment applies not only to photons and electrons but also to bowling balls. 🎳 In fact, I have more than a few quantum mechanical products that are not small. I’ve been designing quantum mechanical dumaflaches for 15 years. My Super Intewigent Chip, by contrast, is very small inasmuch as it has only a million atoms for the active ingredient. That is small, gentle readers! The line between classical physics and quantum physics is getting very blurry. |
djones51 Stenger’s brief ’ Is the Brain a Quantum Device’ talks about Penrose and his notion the brain or consciousness is somehow quantum that he puts forth in His book The Emporers New Mind, the brain is to large and to hot to be a quantum device coherent or not. Physicists, neuroscientists and those in th AI community say the notion of quantum consciousness or brains is not supported by the evidence.Stengers are old ideas that begins to changes : quantum effects exist in wet biological living environment https://www.quantamagazine.org/a-new-spin-on-the-quantum-brain-20161102/ |
The fact that the mind interact with a quantum device in the brain or result from a quantum effect in the brain, was not proved at all, facts only goes in this direction, quantum mechanics also... But it is only theory, Penrose is not anybody, but this is only theory... But pleased I beg you to point to me another theory of consciousness that scale from the quantum, towards the cellular level ( microtubules), toward a memory new theory, toward a theory linking gravity and quantum, with an original interpretration of the quantum (orch.Or : orchestrated objective waves reduction )… This is no proof that he was right, but wait, which other theory makes that possible? I wait, put the link and I will quit this thread to read it with more than enthusiasm... Mathematics tough for me is a more potent revelation than any physics theory of the nature of consciousness …. |
By the way for a swift brain :) the saying of Christ in the gospels says more about him than any photographic evidence... Never mind the photo of Lao-tse, read the Tao-te-King, it is like instantaneous upgrade of the brain or an upgrade of amplifier to be even more clear...:) It takes 2000 thousand years to mathematics to be up with the seer from China, and it is called category theory...Like often say one of my friend here... Hellooo... I apologize if I tease you I am drunk... The wine from Australia is very good... |
Meanwhile, back in the real world. Oh wait, the NYT is even more deluded... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KG-E6fsuvg |
There is nothing in the quanta magazine article that would lead one to say " quantum effects exist in wet biological living environment " , there is nothing in that article to make that conclusion or even assumption. He has an interesting hypothesis but tests so far have not been promising but who knows they might find something or at least rule it out. |
Tony Heller reminds me of all the evolution deniers he just attacks others work by cherry picking and obfuscating, why doesn't he go out and do his own climate work to disprove the theory that humans are contributing to climate change? It's one thing to nitpick others work and quite another to go out and do your own to prove something. Just like the proponents of ID or creationism he has nothing of his own to submit for peer review to prove his points. |
djones51 I point you to this article because you can see that these matters is not ruled impossible at all years ago... It is always a matter of experiments to decide... Then the affirmation that quantum effect in living cell is too warm is only that: an opinion no more so much trusted... The probable outcome point toward this possibility because Nature knows better than us... This is another line of research in the same direction... https://phys.org/news/2018-05-quantum-effects-photosynthesis.html No proof but.... what this is indicating is the direction of existing quantum effects in living cells... |
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I and the Father are one. Well, of course you are. Thousands of years later and all of modern science has produced not one shred of evidence to the contrary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&t=2s |
(...!...I knew it...they're going to swerve right into quantum cosmology with a side of Faith.....no mention of holographic reality yet, but....perhaps that's dessert....) Figured it 'all' out yet? Just as I thought.... Do me a favor....(not to emulate the Prez, but there it is...) Step outside, and look up. Hopefully, a nice clear night sky....free of the lights of uncivilization..... ...and you can only see a minuscule fraction of what's really 'out there'... ...and what allows one to see it, much less comprehend... ...or, for that matter (mind, over), How you can...or even begin to grasp the enormity of it....and the depth of time.... ...and IF there's an entity behind it all.... A small lifeform on a backwater planet...a goldfish in it's bowl.... Striving to be and become Lucy....( the film, not the ancestor....). Most of the 'current' religions would rather have you in blinders, dark glasses, and cower in guilt. Most of the older ones, primarily Eastern, would have one just 'go with it, it's beyond our grasp'... Half full...half empty....or does the glass exist at all? *S* I am but a tiny flashbulb in the dark, here and gone. Briefer than a candle, a dust mote in the light, floating by.... I'm OK with that. Any explanations may prove to be no better than the shapes of gods in the night sky, squatting about the fire, chipping flints.... We still have a long way to go tomorrow. The route unclear, still fraught with danger and hazard. We are still our own worst enemy, the lizard core of our brain still rules our steps. Smart But not wise |
*S* Thanks, nonoise..... Every now and again, my muse takes me by the keys and goes walkabout... ....and I'm prone to wonder and wander. The movie Lucy is a favorite of mine. A very 'one-way' LSDish trope; reminds one of the 'red or blue pill' choice in the Matrix... You take one or the other....there is No Return. But, we face that daily anyway....*L* |
Lucy's final message, @ the end of the Final Fracas in the film.... I am Everywhere ...struck me then (and still echos, even now) as our Ultimate Fate....perhaps... Our biological existence ceases....matter returns to the source, the body dissipates back to the earth we were assembled from... The energy, the 'electron flow' that drives our thoughts, our motions, emotions, the 'waking>sleep' impetus we call 'a life' does as well..... ...surely does too. We actually 'do' be Everywhere...yet again. And That...seems to be the price of consciousness. We have no knowledge of existence prior to birth. Some claim to 'prior lives' but even a dolt like yours truly can 'extrapolate' into my dog's paws and POV...and consider life on the floor.... wake/wag/out/piss/poop/eat/petting/wag/lay on bed/sleep/etc. Simple, sheer existence. *S* We're the one's who make it pleasant or not. "And, in the end...." *Poof* Gone. Just because we can consider it.....contemplate it, fear it, accept it (or not).... It is what it is until it isn't. Literally, back to the future, the Void. An insane amount of millennia later, Perhaps.... "YOU"...might be back. As Van Morrison's "Into The Mystic" ends.... "...in another time....in another place.....in another face...." One just has to be patient....but, that's kinda inevitable, under the circumstance... *G* ;) |
..but, then again....there's always the 'Matrix option'... http://www.firesigntheatre.com/media/audvid/tont11.mp3 ...I've had an....'interesting backstory'....having been subjected to such....;) http://www.firesigntheatre.com/media/media.php?item=tont ...and more than simple posts could ever explain.... |