Neil Young calls out Tidal

@sokogear

A Harvard Vaccine Injury Study conducted from 2007 to 2010, reveals on page 6 a fewer than 1 % report rate in VAERS.

The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) awarded Harvard Medical School a $1 million grant to track VAERS reporting at Harvard Pilgrim Healthcare for three years and develop an automated reporting system that would revolutionize the VAERS reporting system and transform it from a “passive” to an “active” system. The project was called “Electronic Support for Public Heath- Vaccine Adverse Reporting System (ESP:VAERS)” and was initiated “To create a generalizable system to facilitate detection and clinician reporting of vaccine adverse events, in order to improve the safety of national vaccination programs.”

To achieve this, the team used the electronic medical records of Harvard Pilgrim Healthcare, Inc, described as a “large multi-specialty practice.”

Data was collected with this new generalizable system from June 2006 to October 2009 on a total of 715,000 patients. 376,452 of those 715,000 patients, were given 1.4 million doses of 45 different vaccines. A total of 35,570 possible adverse reactions were identified. Out of only 376,452 individuals that received a vaccine at this Harvard practice, the new automated system identified 35,570 possible adverse reactions in a three year period. In contrast there are only ca 30,000 adverse events reported yearly for the entire US population of 330 Million in the VAERS system!

“Adverse events from drugs and vaccines are common, but underreported. Although 25% of ambulatory patients experience an adverse drug event, less than 0.3% of all adverse drug events and 1-13% of serious events are reported to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Likewise, fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported. Low reporting rates preclude or slow the identification of “problem” drugs and vaccines that endanger public health. New surveillance methods for drug and vaccine adverse effects are needed.”

After paying a $1 million grant and conducting three years of research on a seemingly highly successful upgrade to the VAERS passive system the result was that the CDC did NOT react to this study but stopped all communication and cooperation with the research team.

“Unfortunately, there was never an opportunity to perform system performance assessments because the necessary CDC contacts were no longer available and the CDC consultants responsible for receiving data were no longer responsive to our multiple requests to proceed with testing and evaluation.”

“However, real data transmissions of non-physician approved reports to the CDC was unable to commence, as by the end of this project, the CDC had yet to respond to multiple requests to partner for this activity.”

All that was left to do for the CDC was to link the VAERS system to the Harvard Pilgrim system to transmit the data. But that never happened. Why?

http://harvard-vaccine-injury-study-page-6-reveals-1-percent-report-rate.pdf/

@sokogear in all probability, this number is on the very lower end of all injuries and deaths. This is data just from the European Union, a population of about 300 million. Vaccine injuries historically have been underreported (1-10% of actual totals), there are a myriad of reasons for that, you can read the Harvard report to understand why.

Vaccine mandates are a crime against humanity, and are in direct violation of the Helsinki Declarations and the Nuremberg Code. 

Paid by the word, Yuri?

Don’t know if you’ve noticed this, Yuri, but there are these things called hospitals. They are used to treat sick people, like with heart trouble or cancer or accidents or knee replacements.

Except now,’bout all they do is Covid. Little to none of anything else. THAT’s why we need people like you to get vaccinated. Not for your own silly skins, but so that the rest of us get to use hospitals again, if we need them.

@terry9 ease up on the sarcasm please 🙏🙏

If you have point, please make it without the extra zingers added to enrage the other side👍

We are all adults here, I think 🙏

I understood his point clearly. Pretty straightforward. 

If they have time and space to choreograph these dances in the middle of a pandemic, I'm sure they can handle the extra load 😭😭🤡

This one is especially good 😶😶😶💣

this one gives new meaning to the phrase "Dancing on your Grave" 🤡🤡🤡🏆

@kitechaser Lmao hahahahahaha

That last one is Gold.

 

I signed on to Audioigon to talk about music and gear, not politics and opinions on the vaccine.. Even thou there are some good ideas here.

@cns1946 you don’t have to read or reply to this thread then .

No one is forcing you to participate, please ignore us 🙏🙏🙏

 

Some of the members on audiogon want all the unvaccinated to die, they want us ostracised from society, lose access to medical services and be fired from our jobs. It’s a bit hard to keep the topic limited to 🎛🎛🎛🎛🎛🎛stereos and music🎵🎵🎵🎵🎵🎵when that kind of rhetoric is flying about. I hope you can understand why this is an important conversation 🙏🙏🙏❤

 

Wow.

@mapman + 1

@terry9 + 1

@fredrik222 + 1

@yuviarora Vaccine mandates are a crime against humanity, and are in direct violation of the Helsinki Declarations and the Nuremberg Code. 

Did you make that up?  Because its not true.

Did you make that up? Because its not true.

@noske I am to the point where I pretty much do not care.
it is only that I know some people that cannot be vaccinated that I care at all.

So the truthfullness of the quoted post, is sort of not the point, as both side believes what they want to believe. It is like talking to a wall.

If someone believes in some conspiracy, then so be it.

A year ago there were some stories of a friend (of a friend)^n… that went to a covid party, whom is now on their death bed begging others to take it all seriously. That too could be fake.

Of course I am stuck at an airport, and am stuck due to Covid rules… So I do not really care a lot. If they believe that vaccine has nano particle badness, like some high $ fuse has nano particle goodness, then let them do the test and I’ll be in the control group.

I appreciate the Neil and others are passionate, but passion is only good if one is like Joan of Arc. If one is passionate about being anti-science, then let’s let nature test it.
(We can always buy the Vinyl if we want to hear Neil... as he should be heard.)

 

 

Life is messy.

Most cannot deal with the fact that life is messy. They want quick and simple answers to problems and are sadly willing to sacrifice personal freedom for the illusion and comfort of “security” and the facade of not having to find a reasonable and effective way of navigating life’s very messy waters.

When the simple answers are not forthcoming the result for many is fear. Fear, to the extent that the blame for whatever problem is at hand is irrationally placed on those who dare to have a different point of view and who value the freedom to have that different point of view. That different point of view is denigrated as “ideology”; all the while being blind to the fact that this denigration is ideology itself. The idea that the unvaccinated should lose or be downgraded for medical services is not only the result of this fear, it is also inhumane.

Could anyone in this day and age argue that smoking is not a bad idea? Or, that overeating to the point of obesity is not a serious mistake? Or, that not wearing seat belts….? Or…..

Has anyone looked at the hospitalization rates for lung cancer, obesity, or no seat belt use related problems; just to name a few? Should those folks lose or be downgraded for medical services as well? Where does it end?

I am triple vaxxed. It was my freedom to be so.

 

None of this thrashing by Young made any sense until I saw he was touring this summer.   Then it all become clear.

I won't give him career advice because he's already made a fortune, but simply note that he's playing to an every shrinking and dying audience.  He might do better to get to know young people, their listening habits and the issues that concern them.  

He might be surprised at what he learns.

@frogman The idea that the unvaccinated should lose or be downgraded for medical services is not only the result of this fear, it is also inhumane.

Very inhumane.  There is a solution of course, and that is to make taxpayer funds available for sufficient medical resources, nurses, doctors, support staff, facilities and everything else I've forgotten so that everyone can be treated on a fair and equal basis.

In the absence of this, what is your solution?  Something to do with eliminating this fear thing that is causing the problem?

@noske

@yuviarora Vaccine mandates are a crime against humanity, and are in direct violation of the Helsinki Declarations and the Nuremberg Code. 

Did you make that up?  Because its not true.

The Nuremberg Code (1947)

Permissible Medical Experiments

The great weight of the evidence before us to effect that certain types of medical experiments on human beings, when kept within reasonably well-defined bounds, conform to the ethics of the medical profession generally. The protagonists of the practice of human experimentation justify their views on the basis that such experiments yield results for the good of society that are unprocurable by other methods or means of study. All agree, however, that certain basic principles must be observed in order to satisfy moral, ethical and legal concepts:

1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.
   
   The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.
2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results justify the performance of the experiment.
4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
5. No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability or death.
8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
9. During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.
10. During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.

For more information see Nuremberg Doctor’s Trial, BMJ 1996;313(7070):1445-75.

n Kano State, Nigeria, vaccination hesitancy is not only driven by conspiracy theories or mistrust in science. As health advocates struggle to fight disinformation about the COVID-19 vaccines, it is im-portant to remember that in some countries distrust stems not only from ignorance, but also from lived experience.

 

 

This extract from the Code confirms that the current Covid vaccine program is not in violation of the Nuremberg Code.

It goes to exactly what I already know and the basis upon what I said. So my original statement stands.

Don’t want to have any extended back and forth, but all the vaccines being administered around the world are still under EUA, the experiment does not end till 2026. The vaccines that have FDA approval are still not in production, and are not even due for a safety profile submission till 2025.

The Governments are using these legal gymnastics to skirt around liability for manufacturers and to rush out forced mandates.

Not that any of that matters, these are all semantics....any coercion, pressure for the public to take medication of any kind is a violation of natural human rights, the legal mumbo jumbo makes no difference to any of us that will not take it under any circumstances.

 

@noske The next time you go in for your booster, ask to see the insert label for the vaccines that they are injecting into you......... they all have blank pieces of paper stuffed inside, they do not have to provide a list of side effects until the experiments have ended. 

@kitechaser 

Your say, "Some of the members on audiogon want all the unvaccinated to die, they want us ostracised from society, lose access to medical services and be fired from our jobs. It’s a bit hard to keep the topic limited ...  etc."

Well Kite, some members of Audiogon want to deprive me of medical services through their own willful ignorance. Not to mention the lives of those who cannot be vaccinated for valid medical reasons.

To equate vaccine denial with obesity is another false equivalence.Three needles is a little less inconvenient than changing one's entire lifestyle. Getting vaccinated is actually more like stoping for red lights - you know, for the common good - like laws in general. Oh - and being obese does not endanger others.

Parenthetically, I'm 6' and 165. Don't smoke either.

@kitechaser 

 

pass this along. 

@yuviarora 

You say, "any coercion, pressure for the public to take medication of any kind is a violation of natural human rights"

Like a law sending people to jail for murder? Or, even more to the point, conscription? You know, the social mechanism that allows us to live without making Nazi salutes?

Your statement sounds a little narcissistic to me.

This whole discussion is out of place on an audio forum. Please stop beating everyone here over the head about things not audio related. This should be a place to get away from that. Do as you please just be willing to accept the consequences. One never has the right to cause harm to others. That is a fundamental truth.  Thank you.

+1 mapman  

But this disinformation has serious consequences.

I agree. So people need to just stop it here and mind their own business. If they don’t then anything goes. But just stop it! Nobody here cares about this topic on an audio forum.

 

@terry9

You say, "any coercion, pressure for the public to take medication of any kind is a violation of natural human rights"

Like a law sending people to jail for murder? Or, even more to the point, conscription? You know, the social mechanism that allows us to live without making Nazi salutes?

 

Bro, like seriously? You can’t be this loopy..........can you? ??

I am sorry as much as I like getting paid by the "word", I’ll pass on this.

If you can’t tell the difference between someone who has right to refuse a medical treatment, and someone that "Commits M U R D E R"!!!!!!! I think you are a lost cause.

I strongly suggest that you commit yourself to some extended in-patient counseling, that you stay away from automobiles/heavy machinery until the symptoms of madness subsist.

 

Have a nice day, don’t torture animals 👌

Jesus Christ

 

Like a law sending people to jail for murder? Or, even more to the point, conscription? You know, the social mechanism that allows us to live without making Nazi salutes?

Are you saying jail the unvaccinated? I'm confused.

 

8 News Now reported:

“I’m very grateful that I was able to get better. The doctors said I was most likely not able to walk at all, now I can walk, not as great as before but I’ll take what I can get,” Emma tells 8 News Now.

She is now on the road to recovery, her weekly therapy has allowed her to stand on her own with the use of a walker and most recently with a cane.

Emma’s mother Kathy is grateful for her daughter’s positive outlook as she continues to move forward.

“Seeing where she is today, she is a miracle, she is amazing. Her attitude and God is what has gotten her this far,” Kathy expressed.

She tells 8 News Now she and her daughter both received the vaccine to protect themselves from COVID but adds that they now regret that decision.

“When you are literally faced with the possibility that your child could not be there the next day when they were completely healthy is just gut-wrenching, you just can not breathe, “added Kathy.

Anyways.. time to move on. I wish nothing but the best to all, vaccinated and unvaccinated, praying for all 🙏

Hope the hearts that have hardened, find within them Grace to empathize with people that they disagree with.  

Good Luck and God speed. 

@yuviarora I am still in shock

Wishing death to unvaccinated, comparing them to murderers, barring them from hospitals, firing them, etc etc this thread has head spinjing,

I think I finally understand what happened to people in Europe in the 30’s.

People really do go mad in crowds 🙏🙏

Thanks 4 all the info

Such a waste of time, not one person is going to change their position on the vaccine, everyone is dug in deep! 

There is no scientific controversies about the family of corona viruses which is an airborne virus, mutating so rapidly, which make FORCED MASS VACCINATION complete stupidity scientifically..

Luc Montagnier Nobel of medecine said so... He is not alone at all... But they are all BANNED from any media and censored....Thanks to the like of senile Neil Young...

Why is this so ?

Because their mutation is so rapid that you cannot vaccinate once and for all...

You need a chain of boosters for each new set of mutation...Like the flu each winter but here our coronavirus mutate so swiftly that we need a booster each 4 months...With a complete new virus blueprint to use because old blueprint will not work...

Think :

The sane politic would be and are always be targeting specific vaccination of old people and people with co-mobidities...Not MASS vaxx of ALL....

Is it so difficult to figure out?

Insanity of Biden or Trump governments and Trudeau and Macron and Australia is astounding to see...

Arguing is useless...

Add to this insane FORCED MASS vaccination the UNKNOWN LONG TERM effect of this new technology on people...Especially the young...

I will not discuss the negatrive short term effects or many deaths...Why?

Because the long term effect on the young in particular of this insane experiment are way more fearful than the risk of short term effect or even death after this complete new vaccines technology never studied before using it...

All this points i just make a pure science and proven to be true...
Is it so difficult to catch this?

it seems it is too much to catch...

Why?

All people were infuced in a complete controlled fear mass hysteria...

it is a textbook exemple in psychology....Of the Ash experiment and Milgram experiment and some others...

Here people are so deluded they argue AGAINT or FOR the vaccine... The real debate is about forced insane vaxx and target specific vxx for at risk people...

it seems human brain is binary, against or for the vaxx.... An intelligent use of the vaxx is not in their brain window...

For sure the hand of criminal corporations is all around clearly to be seen here, yet people think Pfizer will help them... With 10 billions in criminal indictment for frauds in these last decade....Ask yourself why all low cost working treatment were BANNED? and HOW ?

But some will go on discuss against or for the vaxx till the end of the world...And go on accusing people to be criminal because they are agaisnt forced mass vaccinations...And say to them that they  will not be admitted in hospitals...

Resembling inhumane and stupid opinion has only be seen the last time in some past specific country history of the second world war...Guess which one?

 

Such a waste of time, not one person is going to change their position on the vaccine, everyone is dug in deep!

@mahgister they don’t care whether vaccines work or not only that you do what you are told. This was never about science 🤡🤡🤡

Imagine forcing other medical procedures on people

Abortions

Heart transplants

Knee reconstructions

Brain surgeries

Leg Amputations

Imagine if you had to have your gall bladder removed to be able to watch a movie.

Get a vasectomy or get fired from your job.

Have a cataract surgery or go to prison.

Get your tubes tied if you want to enjoy a warm meal outside your home.

 

 

Yeah, imagine people obeying laws for the common good. Not gonna happen with the Disinformation Battalions on the job. Sic transit gloria mundi.

@terry9 please point out the disinformation 👨‍💻

I rest my case.

@terry9 the only case you made was for an Apartheid.

It was an excellent case 🏆🏆🏆 my head is still spinning from having heard it.

classic case of the govt trying to "blame the other"

i don't understand why people trust fauci and pfizer.  both are known liars.

Well I tried. Go ahead and cry and whine and complain away in public. It’s the new thing! Another epidemic. Feel sorry about  yourself all you want. Public or private does not matter. We are all here for you. Let us know how we can help you other than nodding our heads to stroke the egos.

@terry9 You need a civics class. It is not a law it is a mandate.

This may help you and it is animated.

 

When you go into someone else’s house, you obey their mandates. Otherwise stay home. Nobody want a to hear people whine and cry like petulant children in their house.  Audio forums too. 

@mapman your house? Are you paying my bills now daddy?

I mandate you pull your head out of your @🤡🤡.