Porsche

jjss49….love the duck analogy….ducks are also notorious for crapping in perfectly clean pools

not making a dig, just an observation, which i believe to be true

i don’t know you in person, you may well be a swell guy without the keyboard and the screen name

but with your persona here, i would think a big boy like you would be more used to the incoming and just shrug it off

the rest of us here are just trying to discuss the hobby, share info, learn and contribute back where we can, be friendly, have fun, in way that doesn’t diminish others unnecessarily

anyhow, hope you have a great holiday weekend and are enjoying the music

And yet you care enough to just keep getting the digs in. Let it roll off your back. See how ducky it feels.

miller, it isn’t always about you... we don’t care that much... really

just be like a duck, let the water droplets roll off your back...

Right. When the usual suspects beat up on me and get caught out being dead wrong on the facts is never the time to talk about how dead wrong on the facts they are. It is time to change the subject. Good call.

this isn’t the right place to get into minutae on porsche 911 history, racing heritage, model variants, engine types, hans mezger, andi preuninger, modern evolution/devolution, what was/is a ’gts’ designation on a base model such as 911, cayman, macan, and so on

anyone who cares to learn everything on the topic should go to rennlist.com

like a-gon, the search function there is your friend, and will help build your knowledge quickly and efficiently

Why am I not surprised a guy who knows nothing about audio also managed to own several Porsches and even tour the factory and yet not know the Mezger engine was used in GT3 up until the 991. Since this video is a 997 that means the GTS has the normal engine with power kit while the 997GT3 has the Mezger. https://www.total911.com/technology-explained-mezger-engine/

This engine uses a true dry sump design from motorsport making it much more reliable for track use, hence the GT3.

Read it and weep fellas, read it and weep.

The thread is now open for apologies. Don't be shy.

Back in the day, my supercharged Austin Healey Bug-Eye Sprite was a blast in the canyons. It was like driving a GoKart. 

We don’t listen to MC when he tries to talk about audio, you think we would listen to him about Porsche’s? The 911 variations are very nice, but I actually prefer the Cayman GT4 or the older Carrera GT, probably be getting a new GT4 before year end

The fact that your wife “ allowed you” is problematical. My wife encouraged me to get my Porsches and Ferraris. However, she isn’t thrilled with the language I sometimes employ trying to get my Alfas to behave😉

When I turned 70 my wife finally allowed me to buy my Porsche 911. Just a plain Carrera with the base engine. Of course the base engine in 2018 has 370hp and twin turbos. It is now three years old and I am still in love with it and the wife.....!

Wow… I finally know more about something than Millercarbon.  A GT car is NOT a sports car or track car.  GT cars are meant for long haul cruising with occasional blasts of Alpine fun.  Think Bentley GT. A Porsche 911 Carrera is a sports car.  GT3 is more a track car for the road.    But when it comes to audio, Millercarbon has me beat everyday.

Harman Kardon makes 90% of the in car audio systems wiring looms etc world wide, regardless how they are branded. That is why Samsung bought them.

Also, up until the 992, GTS also came with the wide body, whereas the Carrera S did not. So it was more than merely a souped up Carrera S. 

I know Porsche pretty well.  I have been to the factory four times.

For nearly 20 years the GT cars have been built on the same line as other 911s.  Yes there are some different bits but it certainly isn't correct to say the GT3 engine is 'completely different'.  Miller is just making out he has something really special.  More accurate to say it is very nearly the same.

For those who unlike Miller are not satisfied by the GT3 experience, I run a 997 GT2 I have had from new in 2008.  At that time the most powerful road Porsche ever built, it's 530 turbo powered horses to the rear wheels.  Still seriously quick by any standards it does 7.6s to 100mph and 206 for those brave enough.  Even today there is no road Porsche with bigger rear tyres.   It is a wonderful drive at Goodwood where I take it twice a year.

Sorry my bad, X51. Other than that everything else is spot on. Point being it is just another option, a power kit, that can be ordered on any Carrera S. In sharp contrast to the GT3 which uses a completely different engine.

I do not for one second expect those who don't know Porsche to get one word of this. Can't get DBA, MTM, etc how ya gonna get GTS, GT3? You are not. You will always think it is hp and other numbers equally as irrelevant as wpc. As it has been so shall it ever be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOE9mNe5c7M

GT = Grand Touring
GTS = Porsche Badge that is not limited to the 911 Carrera. The 911 GTS is by no means a tarted up 911. It has a top speed of 193 MPH.
It also lops off 6/10 of a second (3.2 vs 3.8) in the standard 0-60 MPH benchmark as compared to a standard 911 (both with the Sport Chrono PKG). That difference is well beyond substantial. As far as tarting a car up goes: 94 more HP and 91 more foot pounds of torque is in the neighborhood of a 25% increase when combining the two increases into a single stat.

All that said: let’s not lose sight of the fact that a GT3 barely out performs the GTS, and does so only in place. For instance: the 2 cars share the exact same 0-60 MPH times with the GT3 gaining only 6 MPH in top track speed (199 vs 193 MPH). It must be that whopping 23 more HP the GT3 has over the GTS?
All changes aside, and as extensive as they may be, calling the GT3 a tarted up GTS rings much truer than calling a GTS a tarted up 911, when considering performance alone. The fact remains, Porsche builds the GT3 to go racing, and it’s a bonafide race car with its built-in roll cage and other mandated race features that qualify it to be raced in the GT3 class by Porsche and other race teams. You can now get them with Touring packages for those that don’t plan on running them at the track (it does away with the giant swan tail- as they currently call it).

sorry but so much of this is incorrect... factually and in use... the poster seems to have an interest in these cars but is inexperienced and just mistaken about the history leading to the present of the 911 and its variants

As far as tarting a car up goes: 94 more HP and 91 more foot pounds of torque is in the neighborhood of a 25% increase when combining the two increases into a single stat

Technically one cannot combine those two into a single statistic.

The power is a consequence of torque happening through a rotational distance, or a force through a distance.

It would be analogous to saying we get V*A, when V is related to A via a derivative, and A is related to V integral. They express the same thing and mirror each other…

And hence… this post will likely come across as a third derivative post.

GT = Grand Touring
GTS =  Porsche Badge that is not limited to the 911 Carrera. The 911 GTS is by no means a tarted up 911. It has a top speed of 193 MPH. 
It also lops off 6/10 of a second (3.2 vs 3.8) in the standard 0-60 MPH benchmark as compared to a standard 911 (both with the Sport Chrono PKG). That difference is well beyond substantial. As far as tarting a car up goes: 94 more HP and 91 more foot pounds of torque is in the neighborhood of a 25% increase when combining the two increases into a single stat.

All that said: let’s not lose sight of the fact that a GT3 barely out performs the GTS, and does so only in place. For instance: the 2 cars share the exact same 0-60 MPH times with the GT3 gaining only 6 MPH in top track speed (199 vs 193 MPH). It must be that whopping 23 more HP the GT3 has over the GTS? 
All changes aside, and as extensive as they may be, calling the GT3 a tarted up GTS rings much truer than calling a GTS a tarted up 911, when considering performance alone. The fact remains, Porsche builds the GT3 to go racing, and it’s a bonafide race car with its built-in roll cage and other mandated race features that qualify it to be raced in the GT3 class by Porsche and other race teams. You can now get them with Touring packages for those that don’t plan on running them at the track (it does away with the giant swan tail- as they currently call it). 

As I am considering a Taycan, I was hoping this thread would have addressed the Bose vs Burmeister audio options…. 

Fyi the x50 package went with older turbos and not the GTS. 

This is the introduction to his video comparing his 2012 GTS to his 2010 GT3. What does that have to do with Prima Luna? Nothing.   

It will be interesting to see what he says. The GTS is not a true GT car, not in the Porsche sense. It is really just a Carrera S tarted up with some nice options, notably the X50 engine package. The GT3 by contrast is a genuine GT car, with different suspension, different engine. Not the same suspension with different shocks and springs, a different suspension. Not the same engine with different intake, a completely different engine. It may look like the same car with different spoilers, but it is not.    

Porsche GT cars are something special. It says a lot about Kevin Deal that he has one. 

What a pompus jerk, I stopped doing business with half the BS half truths in many ads ,the prima Luna has been milked 
more then a 🐄 cow .my friend bought his top preamp ,pretty good parts until you get to the very important volume section .
expecting to see a quality resistive ladder volume, or electronics relay type ,not a $20 Alps,or Bourne pot see pictures round silver
with conductive pladtic carbon wiper. Any high quality preamp 
would never do this it destroys fine detail as well as other things .
for $5k, look under the hood before you buy !! That’s my viewpoint. 

Isseta?I would to see that one.

Did anyone notice the small Tannoy speakers in his garage? They look right at home and it also looks like a McIntosh integrated something on the rack. Anyone else have an ideas on what the specific audio components are in his garage? That’s one way to get your Tannoy listen on. 

Yes you are right that is the normal way. This is the performance option, for when you get tired of NPC driving.

What's the audio option, for when you get tired, asinine political slurs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bokcv8sKM0o

That's great. Many folks have multiple hobbies and enjoy them equally well as the audio hobby. I could go on and on and rant about my Corvette Z06 racing days in Germany and tearing up the Formula 1 race track (Hockenheim Ring) while my sponsors ate brotchen and wurst in our garage, but, I digress. I just wish that I could throw equal amounts of dinero to each hobby at once. It is a one year on and off thing for me. My next thing, either a GT3, C8 Corvette Z06 (waiting on official announcement), Lambo Huracan, or Mclaren 570s. And, that's it, I swear, no more cars....that is what I am telling the wife. 

I pretty sure I own part of Kevin's Porsche, probably not. I own part of his Isetta for sure. He likes cars and bikes, I see him at the popular hangouts. 

Yes you are right that is the normal way. This is the performance option, for when you get tired of NPC driving.

MC, what's wrong with the car in the video? My SUV just goes up the ramp normally.

Woo-hoo! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQEqtLoif2o

There must be good money in the hi-fi retail biz!