PSVANE Discussion & Impressions Thread

I have used PSVane tubes for two amplifiers, both in preamp and power sections. They are very good quality. It is a big advantage to be able to get matched sets easily rather than relying on NOS suppliers where matching and even availability are uncertain.

@alightronics 

Hello,

The seller says the tubes in preamp only had a couple hundred hours on them and the hour meter in the preamp confirmed it. He also said that the other four tubes were new. When the first tube started clicking, I swapped the left and right tubes and the clicking switched sides. Over the next couple weeks, the same thing happened with five of the six tubes. The preamp originally came with Gold Lion’s, so I ordered a pair and they have been working just fine for four months now.

Thank you for any help you can provide.

Jim

@benanders

psvane is an offshoot of shushuang, and their stuff doesnt resemble tj fullmusic.

that was linlai and northern electric relabel and rebrand leftover tj full music.

@alightronics demand appears to be quite strong. tube manufacturers can barely keep up with demand, and both linlai and psvane are new manufacturers. 

i have  a few questions my friend:

what province and city is your facility?
do you manufacture tubes for rebrand by "apos ray" as well? some of their tubes bear a strong resemblance to psvane. 
do you manufacture tubes for rebrand? by whom?
 

"@benanders Your information is correct, and your understanding of the costs is accurate as well.😁

With fewer manufacturers, the price of upstream raw materials has increased due to reduced demand, which has also led to higher production costs for us."

"In my opinion, I believe the EL34-UK has a full and natural sound with powerful bass, so your initial choice was excellent!"


@alightronics  this tube does have an excellent reputation. is it durable enough to use in marshall JCM800 amplifier?
i think the art series 12AX7 is quite good, as well. 

"In my opinion, I believe the EL34-UK has a full and natural sound with powerful bass, so your initial choice was excellent!"


@alightronics  this tube does have an excellent reputation. is it durable enough to use in marshall JCM800 amplifier?
i think the art series 12AX7 is quite good, as well. 

I" have used PSVane tubes for two amplifiers, both in preamp and power sections. They are very good quality. It is a big advantage to be able to get matched sets easily rather than relying on NOS suppliers where matching and even availability are uncertain."

@chenry  only 2 of the main 3 NOS tube dealers are in business, but there is no undertainty about matching and availbility with andy or brent jessee. 

there are a next-tier sellers where theres no undertainty about quality. 

there are plenty of reputable person-to-person sellers where qualirty carries no uncertainty as well. 

availability? yeah. the current feeding frenzy has driven a few formerly-common tubes into near-extinction. 

happy listening!

@curiousjim 

Hi Jim,

May I kindly ask if you have already tried contacting the dealer for after-sales service?

If you are unable to receive support from the dealer within the warranty period, I would be happy to assist you in resolving any issues.

@chenry 

Thank you for your appreciation of our products!

To make purchasing and after-sales service more convenient for our customers, we have opened an official store on Amazon. This ensures a better and more reliable shopping experience for everyone.

@cey 

@benanders 

I can state with full responsibility that although we are both based in Changsha, HuNan province. PSVANE has no relationship with Shuguang at all.

PSVANE is a completely independent vacuum tube brand and factory, and we have been established for over ten years. We produce approximately 1.6 million vacuum tubes annually and employ over 300 staffs.

Regarding TJ FULLMUSIC: I can disclose that a few years ago, we acquired some of the assets of TJ FULLMUSIC in Tianjin, China. 

Additionally, as far as I know, Shuguang is entirely a state-owned enterprise in China, and at this level, we cannot have any relationship with Shuguang.😉

@cey Thank you for your kind words. 😄

I kindly suggest that you may try our newly launched HORIZON series 12AX7.

@alightronics 

As I have said before, I bought the preamp used. The original tubes that came with the preamp were Gold Lions and are supposed to last 2000-4000 hours.

The new tubes that were in it were12au7’, PSVANE and the new tubes in the boxes were PSVANE boxes with VivaTube sticker on one side. Because I don’t have any documentation, I never called VivaTube.

Thanks again for your help.

@alightronics 

I forgot to say that I purchased the preamp from an individual, not a company.

Jim

"no relationship with Shuguang at all?, @alightronics? doesnt your own press state psvane was founded by ex-Shuguang  personnel? 

@alightronics  is el34-UK durable enough to use in marshall JCM800 amplifier?
 

I would like to hear feedback form folks who have compared the 12AU7 Art Vs Horizon series. And I hope this is their personal experience and not their friend's or brother's uncle's friend, etc.

If the new Psvane comes 80% or more close to NOS sound from highly regarded brands, then I would look forward to getting them in the future.

@curiousjim I recommend contacting VIVA TUBES to inquire about their after-sales support. If it doesn't work, I am very pleased to assist you directly. And if you have any questions regarding PSVANE or vacuum tubes, please do not hesitate to reach out to me at any time.

@cey Starting a business after leaving a company does not mean there will be any connection with the previous employer. PSVANE is entirely independent in its production lines, R&D, and personnel. It has no ties to Shuguang in terms of operations, management, technology, or finances.

@milpai I am also very much looking forward to customers sharing their personal experiences.😊

i understand clearly. 

please avoid answering basic customer question no longer, @alightronics.

please answer.

1. YES or NO, psvane was founded or co-founded by ex-Shuguang personnel?

2. YES or NO, is el34-UK durable enough to use in marshall JCM800 amplifier?

or will it fail prematurely?

thank you

@cey 

1-YES，was independently found  by ex-peraonel. 
2-YES, and the EL34UK is a great match for the Marshall JCM800.

1-YES，was independently found by ex-peraonel.
2-YES, and the EL34UK is a great match for the Marshall JCM800.

thank you, @alightronics. 

I'm a Psvane FanBoy 😎.  I have quite a few of their tubes.  Always sound excellent and never any problems.

Didn't know they had a new "Horizon" tube?  I'll have to try them.

I sure recommend the brand...

@mofimadness 

Thank you for your continuous support of PSVANE.
Yes, the Horizon series is our latest release.
This groundbreaking series is crafted to deliver "premium sound at an affordable price" to all our customers.

To achieve this, we’ve introduced the innovative HPC-T and HPC-X anode coating technologies, alongside new high-density ceramic tube base materials. We’ve also reinforced the internal structures in our mini tubes to ensure exceptional durability.

Every HORIZON series product undergoes rigorous quality control and burn-in testing to guarantee unmatched stability and reliability.

to be clear, @alightronics 


you do or do not have KT66? 

if not, will u manufacture a kt66 or do you plan to?

@cey 

No, we do not have KT66.

And there are no plans for manufacture within the next year either.

Is there a webpage that differentiates the differences across all series of Psvane tubes? I am sure there are a lot of people interested in what the new series has and why is it better than the any previous series that it’s replacing. If if is not replacing a previous series, then how does the new Horizon fit into the marketing to attract us as customers? I see data points concerning filament design; however, what does that mean to us as customers? Does the Horizon take some technology form the reference Psvane Treasure series? Really, want to see what are the differences in categories so that we can depict what we are getting. I have used the Psvane MKII series for years. Where does Horizon fit against the previous MKII series. I can’t find anything on the Internet which gives one an overview of all the Psvane series. Thanks. 

@alightronics

Is the Psvane Store on Amazon your store? I'm asking as I am confused by the different sellers/shippers under that store that are reflected depending upon the tube model and Psvane type e.g. Acme

@audioquest4life 

Thank you for your suggestion. Our website is currently being revamped, and the information you’re looking for will be available once the new site launches in September.

Although the information isn’t published on the website yet, I’m happy to answer your questions. 
The hierarchy of our product line is as follows:
Basic：HIFI、UK
Selected：HORIZON、ART
Premium：WE、ACME

The HORIZON Series is our latest line, featuring a more neutral sound compared to the Art Series and incorporating the latest technologies, such as HPC coating.
The WE Series pays homage to the classic Western Electric sound.
The A Series is our true flagship, offering a neutral and well-rounded sound profile.
The main differences between the two series within each level lie in their sound styles.

Regarding the technologies and features of the HORIZON series:

1. Advanced Coating Technologies: The H series uses HPC-T and HPC-X coating technologies, significantly reducing signal distortion, ensuring stable output, and enhancing sound purity.
2. High-Quality Materials: Utilizes high-quality cross-class materials, extending lifespan and improving sound quality.
3. Rigorous Quality Assurance: Each vacuum tube undergoes a burn-in test for at least 24 hours before leaving the factory, ensuring stability and reliability.
4. Minimal Noise: The 12AX7-AT, 12AU7-AT, and 12AT7-AT tubes feature an improved internal structure design and extensive pre-burning process, significantly reducing noise and microphonics, ensuring exceptional performance.

@alightronics,

The ART series is more expensive than the Horizon series.

Does it mean that it is still better than the Horizon - sound-wise?

What about longevity? Which would last longer - ART or HORIZON?

I am only interested in 12AU7 and hence my questions above are related to that specific tube.

I just ordered a pair of Psvane 12au7 for my Octave Jubilee preamp.  I currently have Philips ECC80, Philips ECC82, and Gold Lion ECC82’s in my preamp.  I will post my impression.

@Audioquest4life, I sent you a PM for personal advice too.

I just ordered a pair of Psvane 12au7 for my Octave Jubilee preamp.  I currently have Philips ECC80, Philips ECC82, and Gold Lion ECC82’s in my preamp.  I will post my impression.

@Audioquest4life, I sent you a PM for personal advice too.

@milpai

The sound signatures have some differences: the ART series is warmer, while the Horizon series is more neutral and natural. It's similar to the Sennheiser HD600 and HD650. Although the HD650 is more expensive, the biggest difference between them lies in their sound signatures.

In terms of lifespan, the Horizon mini tubes all adopt the latest internal reinforcement structure technology, which indeed results in a longer lifespan.

@facten

Currently, the PSVANE STORE on Amazon is our official store. We only sell the HORIZON and ACME series products in our official store.

@alightronics

Sorry but you didn’t fully answer my question about the Amazon Psvanee Store website. For the Acme series it shows the following 805 tube - shipper and seller - Psvane Direct; 211,300B, 845, 2A3, 274B tubes shipper and seller Salience Hi Fi Audio. How is Salience affiliated with Psvane? Why aren’t the Acme tubes shipped by Amazon versus from China; what’s the customer service benefit that supposedly accrues from being on Amazon for the Acme tubes?

@ampus,

Message received. I want to follow up, but add some of my information regarding experiences with the Psvane T series Mark II and Reference series. The reference series are gold plated pins with gold etching on the glass compared to the normal Psvane series. Same with the T series MKIi. From my recollection, the reference series was replaced with the T series MK11, and perhaps, now called WE and ACME.

I used RFT, Siemens, JJ, and Sovteks in the 12AU7 position on my Octave Jubilee reference preamp. The Psvane imparted just music, nothing more nothing less. No overemohais of bass, highs, or mids. Just all fell in place. Yes, other tubes may have had more mid range but lacked bass, or that sparkle up top. This is my system so that is my impression. Compared to the classic Psvane, which sound more like Sovteks and JJs to me, the original Reference and MKIIs are stellar in performance.

With all the changes that have occurred over the years, my biggest question is how do we obtain the reference/MKII replacements? Is the Art series the new top of the line? Has the Art series replaced the MKII/Reference? I am little confused as I don’t see any ACME Psvane tubes. 

@facten

The Acme series 805 tubes you see listed as shipped and sold by Psvane Direct are from our official store. For the 211, 300B, 845, 2A3, and 274B tubes, they are shipped and sold by Salience Hi Fi Audio, which also sells genuine Psvane products. 

Our official store ships from China using Fulfillment by Merchant (FBM) because the A series products are high-value items. Storing them in large quantities in Amazon warehouses has led to significant damage in the past. To prevent this, we now ship each tube individually from China, ensuring that every tube is tested at the factory before shipping.

The only difference between shipping from China and the US is the delivery time. 
When purchasing Acme tubes on Amazon, customers benefit from Amazon's convenient return and exchange process.

So are the tubes sold by Salience factory tested before shipment? They are the ones selling the preponderance of the Acme lineup

@facten

Salience purchases products from the official PSVANE source. We test the products before shipping them to Salience, but I am not sure if they conduct additional testing before their shipment.

The sound signatures have some differences: the ART series is warmer, while the Horizon series is more neutral and natural.

In terms of lifespan, the Horizon mini tubes all adopt the latest internal reinforcement structure technology, which indeed results in a longer lifespan.

@alightronics, Thank you for the details.

Based on what you mentioned above, it looks like the Horizon is the better series, at least for my requirements.Not sure why anyone would want to buy the ART series tube. Unless they want some warmth in their bright system?

@alightronics

I was wondering if you could help me understand a couple of points?

1. I'm curious what you relationship is with AliExpress?

2. For the 845 Acme matched pairs... are they all matched at 90mA?  Or what do you mean when you say they are matched pairs for these 845 Acme tubes?

Thank you for helping me understand.

Best wishes,

Don

@milpai

If someone prefer a relatively warmer sound, the ART series is a good choice. Of course, this also depends on whether the amplifier it is paired with is suitable.

@no_regrets

Hi Don,

The products on AliExpress are sold by our distributors, while the products on our Amazon store are sold directly by Psvane official.

ACME tubes do not require secondary matching as all ACME products have excellent parameter consistency.

@alightronics

"while the products on our Amazon store are sold directly by Psvane official."

Not quite true as the  Acme 211, 300B, 845, 2A3, and 274B tubes are shipped and sold by Salience Hi Fi Audio, which you previously stated are not part of Psvane

@ampus,

Congratulations to you for obtaining the Octave Jubilee preamp. The Octave Jubillee has been my reference component for a while. You will have many happy listening hours with this unit. 
 

Don’t get caught up in the tube rolling merry go round at first. Listen to the Octave to determine and understand its characteristics before making any changes. 
 

In a previous review of the Octave Jubilee, it mentions that the audio section employs four tubes all of the ECC82 family, and that the E80cc can be used in the input stage.  
 

I responded to you. Hopefully providing some insight on the use of NOS tubes. 

The main thing I've learned from this thread is that Psvane tubes have serious quality control issues. Way too many people not getting anywhere near their money's worth. 

@facten

Hello, what I explained earlier is no problem, but there is a logic specific to Amazon’s platform regarding third-party sellers.

You can understand it as we are the official direct seller, but there are also other third-party sellers. When I mentioned the PSVANE Store on Amazon, I was referring to our own direct selling identity, but it does not mean that all PSVANE products on Amazon are sold directly by us.

@alightronics - I’m not sure what is difficult to understand about this , if one types in Psvane Store on Amazon and then clicks on the individual Acme tubes only one comes up with being sold by Psvane Direct, the rest of the ACME tubes under the Psvane Store show Salience as the seller and shipper. They are not part of Psvane according to you yet they appear there. This has nothing to do with other sellers of Psvane tubes on Amazon it is about what shows up under the Psvane Store