WHY DO SOME AUDIOPHILES TRY TO TELL OTHERS WHAT THEY CAN OR CAN’T HEAR IN A SYSTEM?


I ask the question. Because I have had several discussions on Audiogon where certain posters will try to tell another person what they can or can’t hear in a system. Most of the time never hearing or having experiences either the piece of equipment, cables etc. It is usually against those that spend money on more expensive equipment and cabling. Why is this so prevalent.  

calvinj

It’s always been a matter of defining what “the threshold of audibility” is. The experimental psychologists have run double blind studies with samples of normal subjects, and come up with answers we audiophiles accept in principle, like a 3dB difference is certainly audible, and a 20dB difference is twice as loud, or that even a .25dB volume disparity will spoil the reliability of an A-B comparison in favor of the louder signal. Controlling for these errors with precision, maintaining the listener blindness, it’s rare that listeners can reliably discern many of the substitutions of cables or components unless one of them introduces a significant alteration to the signal’s integrity…

Even the ASR crowd fall into error by rating SINAD down to infinitesimally low levels. As if less than inaudible distortion or noise is somehow…less. 

I don’t hear as well as I did when young, so my opinion means less now, but I can’t separate the profit motive behind commercial claims of superiority for whatever is being promoted from the verifiable evidence of that claim’s validity.  People hear differently and no doubt some people hear better, but the lure of our hobby is mixed up with all kinds of extraneous factors besides what it takes for truthful sound reproduction. 
 

@mrkrichman man you are spot on. We all hear at different levels.  We have all different tastes. We all have things we like and things we don’t like. That’s what drives me crazy about these damn know it alls that say we have some kind of scientific condition that we don’t know we have GTFOH! 

Because some audiophiles are scientists. If it does not show in the measurements, it’s not there.

About to become very close to the age of 80, I still find myself fighting the urge to upgrade or experiment.

 

@llg98ljk  - There's nothing wrong with wanting to experiment, at all, especially if your nature is to be a builder or DIY hobbyist.  I make my own speakers and I doubt I'll ever be "done" because it is fun to try new things.  If for instance an audiophile likes to cycle amps and speakers, or cartridges then sure, sounds fun. 

Lets have fun without turning into boors trying to impress others with the refinement of our ears.